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Statistics Professor Just Banned by Google: Here Is His Story

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Re: Statistics Professor Just Banned by Google: Here Is His Story

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Post by seabird »

billsmithaustin wrote: post #3
xiaoma wrote: post #2

No idea what all was on his blog and other google accounts, but according to the article they were used for his work at the university. Also some credible sites like the NYT linking into the disabled blog: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/19/business/the-stock-market... Google may have had some good reasons or it may have just been an example of ML discriminating against a name like Salil. Either way, it's very distur…

Rather than ascribing this to Google's maliciousness or overzealous use of power, is it possible that the shutdown was accidental?

You're missing the point entirely; even if it was accidental, would you have access to your accounts? Would your email be a reliable way to reach you or verify your ownership of another account? Would people able to access the content you've posted?

The answer is quite obviously "no," and that doesn't cut it for people need rely on services like these for their everyday workflow. We wouldn't consider "accidental" AWS downtime acceptable, so why will we accept it from Google?

Re: Statistics Professor Just Banned by Google: Here Is His Story

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Post by bbdbdbdbsbwhs »

jolux wrote: post #7
xiaoma wrote: post #2

No idea what all was on his blog and other google accounts, but according to the article they were used for his work at the university. Also some credible sites like the NYT linking into the disabled blog: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/19/business/the-stock-market... Google may have had some good reasons or it may have just been an example of ML discriminating against a name like Salil. Either way, it's very distur…

Jordan Peterson, the "Canadian psychology professor" you mention, agree or disagree with him, clearly has political motivations and is explicitly politically active. He's an entirely different case from this.

Why do you feel the need to put quotes around Peterson's title?

Re: Statistics Professor Just Banned by Google: Here Is His Story

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Post by shallot_router »

jolux wrote: post #7
xiaoma wrote: post #2

No idea what all was on his blog and other google accounts, but according to the article they were used for his work at the university. Also some credible sites like the NYT linking into the disabled blog: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/19/business/the-stock-market... Google may have had some good reasons or it may have just been an example of ML discriminating against a name like Salil. Either way, it's very distur…

Jordan Peterson, the "Canadian psychology professor" you mention, agree or disagree with him, clearly has political motivations and is explicitly politically active. He's an entirely different case from this.

No doubt Peterson makes a lot of political videos, but he never said or did anything remotely deserving of having his channel shut down. I mean, just as an example, you can find a lot of blatant Holocaust denial and Nazi propaganda channels that are active and have been active for years.

Re: Statistics Professor Just Banned by Google: Here Is His Story

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Post by shallot_router »

bbdbdbdbsbwhs wrote: post #12
jolux wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jordan Peterson, the "Canadian psychology professor" you mention, agree or disagree with him, clearly has political motivations and is explicitly politically active. He's an entirely different case from this.

Why do you feel the need to put quotes around Peterson's title?

Probably because he disagrees with his views, and surely no true professor would say something he disagrees with.

Re: Statistics Professor Just Banned by Google: Here Is His Story

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Post by jwilk »

billsmithaustin wrote: post #3
xiaoma wrote: post #2

No idea what all was on his blog and other google accounts, but according to the article they were used for his work at the university. Also some credible sites like the NYT linking into the disabled blog: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/19/business/the-stock-market... Google may have had some good reasons or it may have just been an example of ML discriminating against a name like Salil. Either way, it's very distur…

Rather than ascribing this to Google's maliciousness or overzealous use of power, is it possible that the shutdown was accidental?

After review, your account is not eligible to be reinstated due to a violation of our Terms of Service.

Doesn't sound like an accident.

Re: Statistics Professor Just Banned by Google: Here Is His Story

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Post by rbcgerard »

I recall a lot of commentary on this site (especially around cloud flare) that the "worst" need to be banned and lot of skepticism about a "slippery slope" - can't speak to the content of this particular case but seems pretty far from the worst of the worst.

Re: Statistics Professor Just Banned by Google: Here Is His Story

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Post by chongli »

jolux wrote: post #7
xiaoma wrote: post #2

No idea what all was on his blog and other google accounts, but according to the article they were used for his work at the university. Also some credible sites like the NYT linking into the disabled blog: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/19/business/the-stock-market... Google may have had some good reasons or it may have just been an example of ML discriminating against a name like Salil. Either way, it's very distur…

Jordan Peterson, the "Canadian psychology professor" you mention, agree or disagree with him, clearly has political motivations and is explicitly politically active. He's an entirely different case from this.

How is that relevant to the story of whether or not it's appropriate for Google, or indeed any large service provider (Cloudflare), to take their account offline?

Re: Statistics Professor Just Banned by Google: Here Is His Story

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Post by jolux »

shallot_router wrote: post #14
bbdbdbdbsbwhs wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you feel the need to put quotes around Peterson's title?

Probably because he disagrees with his views, and surely no true professor would say something he disagrees with.

I just thought it was interesting you (edit: you're not parent, I meant parent) didn't call him out by name, and I wanted to make the connection explicit.
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