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Re: Poland's oldest university denies Google's right to patent Polish coding concept

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Post by jaredklewis »

Nomentatus wrote: post #65
CalChris wrote: post #6

I'm not understanding how Google and employees is claiming to be the original inventor here. Each inventor must sign an oath or declaration that includes certain statements required by law and the USPTO rules, including the statement that he or she believes himself or herself to be the original inventor or an original joint inventor of a claimed invention in the application and the statement that the application was…

The system has changed - it's first to the patent office, now, and vast amounts of intellectual property is being legally stolen.

Yes it is now first to file, but that is only to determine the inventor in the case of multiple independent inventors.

As before, it is still illegal to file for a patent you did not invent without the inventor's consent.

Re: Poland's oldest university denies Google's right to patent Polish coding concept

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Post by mieses »

e-beach wrote: post #45

Sorry, but I wouldn't trust an article written by the Polish state media. The title of the article, labeling the idea a "Polish coding concept", clearly presupposes that Google's claim was baseless.

It is fair to bring up Polish state media and the tendency of Poles towards nationalistic bias. If anyone didn't get that then this comment is useful. Just bear in mind that Google PR is on the other side of the argument. It was usually a safe bet to side with Google but given recent trends it may be a good idea to look at the merits of the arguments.

Re: Poland's oldest university denies Google's right to patent Polish coding concept

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Post by wang_li »

puzzle wrote: post #40
Cpoll wrote: post #35

Can anyone explain Google's rationale here? As I understand the US patent system, patent trolls can and do make these sorts of patent filings all the time, and the legitimacy doesn't matter, because their victims can't afford to defend themselves in court. Isn't it irrational not to file patents like these? Or is Google planning to use this patent "offensively?"

Only Google can explain their rationale, but it's fairly safe to expect that they won't, at least until the whole application process is done. Your interpretation is one of the plausible scenarios here. It's one in which Google wins, whether they are granted the patent or not. The Polish researcher and his university don't agree, but perhaps they have never been on the receiving end of a patent lawsuit. Yes, I'm very…

People keep saying defensive patent but it's more likely fattening their video codec patent portfolio. This helps them stay in the game in the future as part of industry patent pools/alliances.

Re: Poland's oldest university denies Google's right to patent Polish coding concept

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Post by Nomentatus »

jaredklewis wrote: post #81
Nomentatus wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The system has changed - it's first to the patent office, now, and vast amounts of intellectual property is being legally stolen.

Yes it is now first to file, but that is only to determine the inventor in the case of multiple independent inventors. As before, it is still illegal to file for a patent you did not invent without the inventor's consent.

You do have to claim you thought of it on your own, just a lot later, true - but that's trivial to do, and impossible to disprove.

For example, it's perfectly okay to patent an idea in use a thousand years ago, nowadays, as long as most people in that field haven't heard of it; thanks to recently truly perverse judicial decisions.

Re: Poland's oldest university denies Google's right to patent Polish coding concept

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Post by cxseven »

TD-Linux wrote: post #50
pera wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you are correct: ANS is an entropy coding method , so a patent shouldn't be able to claim a new use for encoding some specific type of information [1]. Also, Duda's paper even exemplifies the obvious use case for video compression [2]. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inventive_step_and_non-obvious... [2] - https://arxiv.org/abs/1311.2540

Unfortunately, that's not the case, at least as the patent office currently sees things. There's thousands of patents for H.264 and HEVC that amount to "code a certain bitstream symbol with CABAC this certain way".

If that's the case, that's a terrible perversion of the intended purpose of patents. The progress of science and the useful arts would probably be better served by putting the entire patent system on hiatus for a few decades.
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