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Firefox Focus – A new private browser for iOS and Android
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Re: Firefox Focus – A new private browser for iOS and Android
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I'm not sure from your comment whether you're just being pedantic in pointing out that while regrettable this isn't surprising (in which case your comment is not very constructive), or whether you actually think it's OK for Firefox to do this. Since you've used the term "anonymised" quite pointedly, I'm guessing the latter. I do find it surprising that anyone would assume data Google is collecting on your usage is so…
More along the lines of: I now fully expect the cost of entrance for free applications to be data the developers collect of my usage. It's naive to assume otherwise. EDIT: grammar
> I now fully expect the cost of entrance for free applications to be data the developers collect of my usage.
Apparently this is also true of applications & services you pay for these days too. Includes ISPs, cell companies, cable apps where you input your customer code, paid subscriptions to online news... the list is endless.
Re: Firefox Focus – A new private browser for iOS and Android
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> This is a very naïve view of what incognito/private browsing mode is for. Maybe I didn't word it correctly, I meant that all it's good for is to hide porn from your spouse. If you think incognito mode protects you in any way, than it's you who is naive. If anyone really wanted to track you, they can use your IP and see every single page you've visited. Even the size of your window is enough to track you. Tor is the…
I'd quit while you're ahead there niko. Your comments demonstrate a lack of understanding of the space which is totally OK. It is not OK to act in a retaliatory manner when you are not the master of a domain and are specifically called out on it. Humility is the most important skill a software developer can learn. Thanks to leaks and other revelations we don't need to be paranoid because we have enough information to…
I might agree with the rest, but this:
> It is not OK to act in a retaliatory manner when you are not the master of a domain and are specifically called out on it.
Who did I retaliate against? And who called me out on what, exactly?
I'm saying that Firefox Focus is a little toy if you really care about privacy, and to use Tor if you want be safe from spying.
I visit https://myactivity.google.com/myactivity every once in a while, but so far Google has used that information to make my life A LOT easier.
Re: Firefox Focus – A new private browser for iOS and Android
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Mh. It's amazing how far apart I got from every single one of Mozilla's visions, from using Firefox as my main browser 8 years ago. I love the fact that—as an example—as I travel Google shows me tools that I'll be interested in, like a currency converter, translate + word of the day in the local language, etc. etc. I would absolutely hate having my main browser constantly forget who I am. I feel almost blessed every…
Every single thing you describe can be done without giving Google all your personal data. Log in with one click, autofill, etc is all browser-local. And currency converter, translations, word of the day, etc can all be done as browser extensions.
> Log in with one click, autofill, etc is all browser-local.
Yes, but if I sign up from my cell phone, I'd like to have that info on my desktop browser automatically and on other computers, so no.
> And currency converter, translations, word of the day, etc can all be done as browser extensions.
Sure, but what a pain. I wouldn't go through the pain of searching, installing, configuring, and then removing an extension for each one of of those things. I just don't care about any of them that much, it was just nice having them there automatically.
Re: Firefox Focus – A new private browser for iOS and Android
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I think I'm only surprised to see this comment and not that Firefox bundled analytics into their app. What's controversial about anonymized usage statistics in 2017?
Windows 10 peed in the pool when it redefined "telemetry" to include core dumps, documents, keystrokes, and even remote terminal access for MS engineers. Now, people are rightfully suspicious of any software that phones home at all.
MS did take it to the next level, but for me any application which phones home without users consent is in the wrong. This is one of the major reasons I don't use Chrome. Anywhere.
Re: Firefox Focus – A new private browser for iOS and Android
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You include an untrusted, proprietary binary from Google. Not directly, but as a recursive dependency: com.google.android.gms:play-services-analytics So, yes, you give data to Google. The Google analytics dependency you include could literally be malware, and you could not test, or know. And you never know if it doesn’t just decide to steal your data and transmit it all, be it by Google’s decision or because an NSL w…
Because that library is there does not mean that we are giving data to Google. It does not even mean that it is active or that it is sending anything. This is a very strange conclusion that you present. I feel you are just twisting and turning to come to an unfavourable outcome here. Even Google has decent data collection policies. They will not randomly make an application collect data without the developer opting i…
> Even Google has decent data collection policies.
I’m not sure if you’re trying to intentionally ignore the issue here.
You are asking people to trust Google. If people trusted Google, they’d use Google Chrome in the first place. Your entire userbase is people that don’t trust Google, at all.
If you use Google proprietary software in Firefox, and tell people to just trust Google, you just entirely destroyed every value Firefox ever had, and your own job.
The whole purpose of Firefox is that I don’t have to trust Google. That I don’t even have any kind of interaction with Google. That I can exist without having to use Google’s technology.
If you use Google Analytics in Firefox’ Addon menu, or in Firefox Focus, and say "but Google doesn’t technically track people because we have a contract with them", then I can just as well use Chrome. If I trusted Google to keep their word, I’d use Chrome.
Chrome runs far faster, looks better, is easier usable, has better addon support, works with more websites because everyone only supports Chrome anymore, it actually supports 10 bit video, oh, and it even does hardware video decoding on Linux.
The entire reason anyone still uses Firefox is because they don’t trust Google. If you ask people to trust Google, you’re literally telling them to just use Google Chrome.
That is the elephant in the room that everyone at mozilla tries to ignore by putting Google Analytics into the addon menu of Firefox (and, as result, also in the Tor browser), and by importing a Google Analytics library into Firefox Focus. This destroys the one single value that Firefox has in the current world: It’s not Google.
Re: Firefox Focus – A new private browser for iOS and Android
#307Earlier quoted context omitted.
Every single thing you describe can be done without giving Google all your personal data. Log in with one click, autofill, etc is all browser-local. And currency converter, translations, word of the day, etc can all be done as browser extensions.
> Log in with one click, autofill, etc is all browser-local. Yes, but if I sign up from my cell phone, I'd like to have that info on my desktop browser automatically and on other computers, so no. > And currency converter, translations, word of the day, etc can all be done as browser extensions. Sure, but what a pain. I wouldn't go through the pain of searching, installing, configuring, and then removing an extension…
> Yes, but if I sign up from my cell phone, I'd like to have that info on my desktop browser automatically and on other computers, so no.
I'm pretty sure Safari will sync that info using iCloud, and I think Firefox has its own sync mechanism that can be used for this.
Or you could use any one of the numerous password managers (I use 1Password).
> Sure, but what a pain. I wouldn't go through the pain of searching, installing, configuring, and then removing an extension for each one of of those things.
If you actually care about having any of those, it's really not hard to search for and install extensions. You seem to be overplaying the difficulty involved here, especially for something of such relative low utility.
Re: Firefox Focus – A new private browser for iOS and Android
#308Focus does not seem to erase your history in a way you may expect. Try this on Android: - Erase your history. - Go to HN, click any link you haven't clicked before. - Wait for it to load. - Erase your history. Make sure you see the notification "Your browsing history has been erased". - Go to HN again, and see the link you've just clicked still highlighted as 'visited'.
That's concerning, I tested further and found that if you quit the app from task switcher it clears the visited highlight.
I'll check if there's an issue filed for this tomorrow.
Re: Firefox Focus – A new private browser for iOS and Android
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>> From my history I guess > I don't think it's from your history. It seems like many common websites are preset to autocomplete; stackoverflow.com for example. Because it doesn't save history this seems like a nice way to reduce friction for users. I could be wrong though. In my experience, your statement is correct. Firefox Focus does not store history. It does have a long list of sites that it autocompletes. Whene…
No in-app bookmarks, but you can use "add to home screen" to get a shortcut.
Is that on android and/or ios?
Re: Firefox Focus – A new private browser for iOS and Android
#310I installed Firefox Focus for iOS simply for its content blocker. I still prefer using mobile safari, but augmented with three content blockers: - Firefox Focus, which blocks all sorts of stuff - 1Blocker, which blocks all sorts of stuff - Unobstruct, which blocks Medium's "dickbar" popups.
Does this work in embedded browser? More often than not I don't open links within Twitter/Reddit mobile app bc I can't stand some intrusive ads.
It also supports "Chrome" Custom Tabs on Android.