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Firefox Focus – A new private browser for iOS and Android

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Re: Firefox Focus – A new private browser for iOS and Android

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I wish open source projects publish the compiled .apk file not just the source code. If I want to install this on my Fire HD I either have to download the .apk from some dodgy mirror site or install Google Play with some workaround on the Fire HD. Cause Firefox Focus is not available in the Amazon App Store. I mean yeah I can do both in the end, not a big deal, but I just want the .apk nothing else.

apkmirror.com is not dodgy. It is also the only apk website I'd trust.

Re: Firefox Focus – A new private browser for iOS and Android

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post #229

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As people below have already added their comments, I just want to give my two cents. This is not PR bullshit, but the Focus team can consider asking users on first run. This private browser, having been using it since beta on iOS, is nothing more than just a private browsing window like the one offered in Desktop version (I am not here to debate the technical implementation since I do not know). Telemetry does not br…

Part of the problem is when Mozilla gives data to Google, there is no way of knowing what Google does with it. If you want to trust Mozilla AND Google AND trust that no gag orders have been issued to the above companies by the NSA, CIA, FBI et al, fine. That's the way 99% of apps work. They all have privacy policies, and people generally trust them. The whole point of explicitly "private" or "anonymous" software is t…

As mentioned elsewhere in this thread, the Google SDK is only used to record whether the app was installed by way of an ad campaign Mozilla is running on Google. All other telemetry data goes directly to Mozilla servers, and contains things like "feature X was used"—not browsing data.

Since it's all free software, you can check what events are actually sent here: https://github.com/mozilla-mobile/focus-android/blob/master/...

Re: Firefox Focus – A new private browser for iOS and Android

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I see. Honestly, most of the time when I use Google Searches is because I want to look for something, and I love when Google personalizes results so that if I type "Amiga" it knows it's the computer and I don't want to learn Spanish. Most importantly, I end up visiting lots of websites that I might want to comment on, visit later on/not lose if my phone dies, share with my girlfriend, etc. I personally don't see any…

> I personally don't see any advantage with incognito mode unless you want to hide porn from your spouse,... This is a very naïve view of what incognito/private browsing mode is for. Tor (not Torbrowser) is very different from incognito/private browsing. Even for your own use, it's another layer of defense to reduce the storage of information on the device about whatever you've been up to. Certainly porn is not the o…

> This is a very naïve view of what incognito/private browsing mode is for.

Maybe I didn't word it correctly, I meant that all it's good for is to hide porn from your spouse.

If you think incognito mode protects you in any way, than it's you who is naive.

If anyone really wanted to track you, they can use your IP and see every single page you've visited. Even the size of your window is enough to track you.

Tor is the only tool I know that you can use if you don't want to be tracked.

> We live in a world where even tiny things can be taken out of context, manipulated and used against us either by the people close to us, or the places we work for, or even the government.

Sure, but I think that we shouldn't be paranoid about it (please don't hack my account to prove a point :-)). What is the actual risk that your government will track your browser and use a tiny thing against you? I wear seatbelts because the risk of an accident is high, I don't wear a helmet to protect my head in case a small meteorite hits me.

I don't think any government or anyone has the right to spy on anyone else, and organizations should work to prevent that, but I think a lot of it is hype. We live in a world where people post pictures on Facebook of themselves drunk, doing drugs and showing off things they stole, all while leaving harsh, racist, hateful comments.

I would be worried more about ourselves leaving ever-lasting indications we're idiots on social media, more than about governments spying on us to get evidence to frame us.

Re: Firefox Focus – A new private browser for iOS and Android

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I see. Honestly, most of the time when I use Google Searches is because I want to look for something, and I love when Google personalizes results so that if I type "Amiga" it knows it's the computer and I don't want to learn Spanish. Most importantly, I end up visiting lots of websites that I might want to comment on, visit later on/not lose if my phone dies, share with my girlfriend, etc. I personally don't see any…

Not everyone enjoys the filter bubble, but I tend to agree with you that always on incognito mode is annoying and does not protect your privacy except from your spouse. If you want to protect your privacy at least use tor.

Exactly.

I don't see how private browsing can protect you in any way, while your IP is in the clear along with all HTTP requests you make.

Re: Firefox Focus – A new private browser for iOS and Android

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You can't advertise as a "private browser" an get away with that PR bullshit. "Anonymous" usage data is anything but when the server receiving it can easily tell who it's coming from. Mozilla is not the user, it breaks the entire idea of privacy.

As people below have already added their comments, I just want to give my two cents. This is not PR bullshit, but the Focus team can consider asking users on first run. This private browser, having been using it since beta on iOS, is nothing more than just a private browsing window like the one offered in Desktop version (I am not here to debate the technical implementation since I do not know). Telemetry does not br…

>Telemetry does not break privacy. [...] User has the right to [...] choose not to use the software. So, every software is the pinnacle of privacy, right? After all, you don't have to use them... Idiot.

Re: Firefox Focus – A new private browser for iOS and Android

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So, if I understand this correctly... It's a regular browser, but like you're always in private mode + it's got a built-in ad blocker? If I want to check Hacker News let's say 5 times throughout the day and feel like leaving a comment, I have to login again, without autocomplete..? Maybe I'm missing something.

>Maybe I'm missing something. The features you explained are exactly what I was looking for in a mobile browser. In fact, i wish they launch Focus for Desktops operating systems too.

I think you're looking for the Tor Browser.

If you don't log in into websites, I don't see why you would leave yourself exposed and very easily hacked with Firefox or private browsing if there's Tor.

Private browsing is NOT secure. It's just a shortcut to avoid clearing your history manually. ANYONE can see who you are, and what sites you visit with easy-to-use tools that are available online for free.

Re: Firefox Focus – A new private browser for iOS and Android

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post #188

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Well, about the very same moment you see "Browse like no one's watching / Automatically block online tracking while you browse" app starts to silently send some data to app.adjust.com and incoming.telemetry.mozilla.org. If that's not controversial, that's at least ironic. (Just to clarify: this particular behavior was observed on a version from a Play Store, not FDroid. And this was about 1.5 months ago or so. But I…

Checkout the histograms: https://telemetry.mozilla.org/ Do other vendors let you see their metric dashboards? And if you feel statistics of time to FIRST_PAINT invades your privacy you can disable telemetry reporting. You can also see what your browser collects in about:telemetry, but don't equate performance measurements with surveillance -- that's FUD.

Gosh. It's not about what's being sent, and why.

It's about a certain promise^W marketing statement and behavior that at least partially contradicts it.

Re: Firefox Focus – A new private browser for iOS and Android

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I've been using this on and off for a few months since it came out. It's very smooth and enjoyable to use for looking things up quickly. But Samsung Internet Browser's[0] content blockers (AdBlock Fast, Disconnect) is also smooth and does a better job of blocking ads than Focus. Neither are as good as uBlock Origin, of course, but then you must use the "real" Firefox on Android which is not very smooth and feels very foreign on Android.

[0] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.sec.androi...

Re: Firefox Focus – A new private browser for iOS and Android

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post #212

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My guess is that it is a dependency of the Adjust SDK that Focus uses. See https://github.com/adjust/android_sdk/blob/master/README.md

Wait... Focus doesn't use Google Analytics because they don't meet your very high standards for privacy. But it does use Adjust, which means Adjust does meet your very high standards, even though it uses Google Analytics?

But Adjust only comes into play when the app is installed by clicking on a Google ad campaign. So at that point, Google already knows you've clicked on the ad and installed the app (because that's how they bill Mozilla).
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