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Alt-social network Gab booted from Google Play Store for hate speech

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Post by mercer »

cocktailpeanuts wrote: post #122
acdha wrote: post #114

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This seems backwards: network neutrality ensures that anyone is free to setup a host with whatever rules they want. If you treat the network as a neutral layer, there's less risk if a particular service chooses not to support something — whereas in a world of paid prioritization you'd have to worry about, say, paid prioritization or outright blocking as well as the other costs. (This is one of the reasons I'm not a f…

My point was not about whether net neutrality is right or wrong, but that the same person sometimes protests AGAINST net neutrality when it fits their agenda, and sometimes pretend as if they're the guardian of the justice who's supposed to guard net neutrality. That's hypocritical. People should instead have rational conversation about pros and cons and make an informed decision, but that's impossible nowadays becau…

While it sucks, pointing out how you can't share your opinion without being downvoted is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

That said, I do wish your argument would not be downvoted, even if I think you're wrong.

Re: Alt-social network Gab booted from Google Play Store for hate speech

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Post by mercer »

jacquesm wrote: post #39
MichaelGG wrote: post #21

I find this odd. One person died at Charlottesville, potentially from an accident. Meanwhile there's been at least one intentional shooting with a higher death toll related to BLM, but there was no widespread "we need to shut this down" backlash there. But all of a sudden some random site writing mostly nonsense is some huge threat that we're gonna put aside neutrality and free speech for?

> potentially from an accident I'm not sure you are serious, but do you genuinely believe that this was potentially from an accident? The kind of accident where you get into your car, aim at a crowd and boot the accelerator?

It's a common talking point among the 'alt-right'. That and the weird obsession with antifa.

EDIT: I feel I should clarify a bit. I'm not saying that merely mentioning antifa or the 'accident' interpretation by definition means you're alt-right.

Furthermore, after spending quite a bit of time as a 'tourist' on some of the extreme right forums, I'm more sad and frustrated than angry. I can totally see how someone would actually end up believing the ridiculous extreme right conspiracies after spending enough time in such communities.

Re: Alt-social network Gab booted from Google Play Store for hate speech

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Post by leereeves »

nl wrote: post #117
leereeves wrote: post #30

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They aren't the moral center. They're firmly on the left and banning their political opponents. Hate speech exists on all platforms and comes from both sides; it's only an excuse here.

This isn't really left vs right. There's plenty on the right who are more than happy to condemn Nazis.

Gab aren't Nazis.

Re: Alt-social network Gab booted from Google Play Store for hate speech

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Post by nl »

leereeves wrote: post #143
nl wrote: post #117

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This isn't really left vs right. There's plenty on the right who are more than happy to condemn Nazis.

Gab aren't Nazis.

And Twitter don't favor the left.

If they favored the left then they would have implemented much stronger anti-harassment policies a long time ago. Instead the greatest sin you can do is dox someone, which will get you banned forever.

To make it clear: On Twitter, you can have a Swastika for an avatar, and post oven memes while tagging Jewish members and you won't get banned. OTOH, if you unmask one of the people posting those memes you will get banned.

I'm not sure what political stand that is, but it doesn't seem particularly left (or right!) wing to me.

Re: Alt-social network Gab booted from Google Play Store for hate speech

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Post by leereeves »

nl wrote: post #144
leereeves wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gab aren't Nazis.

And Twitter don't favor the left. If they favored the left then they would have implemented much stronger anti-harassment policies a long time ago. Instead the greatest sin you can do is dox someone, which will get you banned forever. To make it clear: On Twitter, you can have a Swastika for an avatar, and post oven memes while tagging Jewish members and you won't get banned. OTOH, if you unmask one of the people pos…

> Twitter don't favor the left.

Of course they favor the left. The founder even said he was sorry about Twitter helping elect Trump.

Re: Alt-social network Gab booted from Google Play Store for hate speech

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Post by nl »

leereeves wrote: post #145
nl wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And Twitter don't favor the left. If they favored the left then they would have implemented much stronger anti-harassment policies a long time ago. Instead the greatest sin you can do is dox someone, which will get you banned forever. To make it clear: On Twitter, you can have a Swastika for an avatar, and post oven memes while tagging Jewish members and you won't get banned. OTOH, if you unmask one of the people pos…

> Twitter don't favor the left. Of course they favor the left. The founder even said he was sorry about Twitter helping elect Trump.

There are plenty on the right who say the same thing. Some are even members of the Republican party and in Congress.

Re: Alt-social network Gab booted from Google Play Store for hate speech

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Post by leereeves »

nl wrote: post #146
leereeves wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Twitter don't favor the left. Of course they favor the left. The founder even said he was sorry about Twitter helping elect Trump.

There are plenty on the right who say the same thing. Some are even members of the Republican party and in Congress.

How many donated a million dollars to Obama?

http://www.ebony.com/news-views/obama-foundation-tech-billio...

Re: Alt-social network Gab booted from Google Play Store for hate speech

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Post by nl »

leereeves wrote: post #147
nl wrote: post #146

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There are plenty on the right who say the same thing. Some are even members of the Republican party and in Congress.

How many donated a million dollars to Obama? http://www.ebony.com/news-views/obama-foundation-tech-billio...

You realize that is after Obama left office, right?

My argument isn't that Evan William's doesn't have political opinions. It is that Twitter's policies don't reflect them.

Your point was:

> They're [Twitter] firmly on the left and banning their political opponents.

I'm sure you can point to many right-leaning commentators who have been banned, and I can point to many left-learning.

But as far as I can see they don't ban people for political views, instead they bad them for specific behaviors; specifically direct threats or doxing.

Re: Alt-social network Gab booted from Google Play Store for hate speech

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Post by nl »

flukus wrote: post #86
GuiA wrote: post #65

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Well, the national news wasn't filled with pictures of people marching in the open streets with nazi flags 10 years ago, for starters.

It was though. The neo Nazi movement was a lot bigger in the 90s than it is now.

Not in the US it wasn't.

But there’s one huge difference: These newer offshoots have been far more successful than we could ever have dreamed. When you see crowds of hundreds marching through the streets with their faces uncovered, when white supremacist leader Richard Spencer holds a press conference a few days after a woman was killed by one of his fellow travelers and hosts reporters in his home, it becomes clear just how much more terrifying this new generation of extremists is. They’re savvier than we were. Better connected.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/08/18/former-neo...

Re: Alt-social network Gab booted from Google Play Store for hate speech

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Post by acdha »

cocktailpeanuts wrote: post #133
acdha wrote: post #131

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You seem to be conflating network neutrality with requiring companies to host content which violates their terms of service. I think it's reasonable to distinguish between those layers — someone who wants to find content Twitter won't host can easily go to gab or 4chan but it's much harder to switch ISPs.

Someone who wants to publish an app to Android cannot easily go somewhere else to publish their app. I do get your point and I understand what you're saying, but at the same time this is not the same as "if you don't like Twitter just go somewhere else to post your microblog", because Android users don't have any other alternative.

If you want to talk about app stores, that's a valid point which deserves conversation but it's not typically covered by network neutrality.
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