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A musician friend from Denver moved there last year and I didn’t notice. But this summer, she posted something on Facebook along the lines of “I expected to tolerate it, but I actually love it.” My interest was piqued. And the more I looked into it, the better it sounded.
I currently live in Cleveland. It's alright, but the author is going to be in for quite a shock regarding >clean, vibrant downtown area, ... good transit (including lightrail), a diverse economy The city is extremely dirty and constantly has a very bad smell, and the RTA (public transit) is a disaster. The direct downtown area is essentially just a massive parking lot. The economy also consists entirely of the Clevel…
Honestly I just wanted to complain about RTD. I used to live in the midwest, it was nice. Cheap housing!
On the healthcare front, Cleveland can compete with anywhere in the world. On the cultural institution front, Cleveland is one of the best non-New York cities in the U.S., particularly with its orchestra, museums and plays.
If you can get a good job, why not? That's essentially the rub. I'm from Cleveland, and I live in DC, because the job market is much better. A lot of the older cities in the U.S. have good neighborhoods and cultural institutions. They need to find creative ways to get modern jobs.
I currently live in Cleveland. It's alright, but the author is going to be in for quite a shock regarding >clean, vibrant downtown area, ... good transit (including lightrail), a diverse economy The city is extremely dirty and constantly has a very bad smell, and the RTA (public transit) is a disaster. The direct downtown area is essentially just a massive parking lot. The economy also consists entirely of the Clevel…
I wonder how many people commit to moving to a city without actually knowing more then what their tourist board puts out.
I currently live in Cleveland. It's alright, but the author is going to be in for quite a shock regarding >clean, vibrant downtown area, ... good transit (including lightrail), a diverse economy The city is extremely dirty and constantly has a very bad smell, and the RTA (public transit) is a disaster. The direct downtown area is essentially just a massive parking lot. The economy also consists entirely of the Clevel…
I don't think I'd go so far as to say the whole city is "extremely dirty" but it did have some of the dirtiest mass transit I've ever seen. Cleveland seems to have all of the drawbacks of living in Columbus or Cincinnati without any of the benefits those cities provide, such as the much lower crime rate in both Cinci/Columbus and the more walkable neighborhoods/downtown area in Columbus.
I don't know if I'd say that Cincinnati offers much over either one.
Cleveland has an interesting mixture of things that make it a very livable place: Very good restaurants (including one of the best Little Italy's in the country), elite healthcare and elite cultural institutions. The schools outside of Cleveland tend to be good, and there are good private school options within the city. On the healthcare front, Cleveland can compete with anywhere in the world. On the cultural institu…
Woo remote workers?
Pass laws banning non competes?
Does anyone have suggestions for underrated (or upcoming) cities with a lot to offer and moderate real estate?
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Kansas City is worth a look
I second this, if you can tolerate the Midwest winters. Kansas City has plenty of industry (and great BBQ!) and is fairly clean. One downside is the lack of a light rail system.
Much of Cleveland is a dump. Close to 100 murders a year is a lot for a city of 400k. Lots of crime, high car insurance, it's just dreary looking and feeling like Milwaukee or Detroit. The white areas of Cleveland are pretty racist - it's a very segregated city, like most other large cities in the rust belt.
You will notice two things pretty quickly if you work here. First, and I don't know why more people don't mention this, the public libraries (in Cleveland and statewide in Ohio) are infinitely better than you are accustomed to. Second, while walking around downtown you will miss the human poop, humans pooping, and general human poop-related concerns that you might have grudgingly folded into your daily routine in SF. (I find the "dirty" comments below amusing)
Other than that, probably the best concise way to characterize it is: an extremely small version of Chicago with less distinguished architecture and a less developed waterfront (but better public parks and easier traffic), a couple of museums and a classical orchestra that are on par with NYC, food and theatre that is good but limited in scope, and hospitals that are as good as anywhere in the world. All the sort of postindustrial stuff you can read about the midwest applies to one degree or another to the larger metropolitan area. All the major league sports if you're into that sort of thing.