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Intel Reveals Post-8th Gen. Core Architecture 10nm+ Ice Lake

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Re: Intel Reveals Post-8th Gen. Core Architecture 10nm+ Ice Lake

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Post by YSFEJ4SWJUVU6 »

bhouston wrote: post #198
zanny wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have been over 5ghz for a decade, it just takes ln2 to do it. We aren't going to see ludicrously high clock rates for the foreseeable future. There are a lot of compounding factors as to why, but the biggest ones are the pressure for efficiency driving designs that aren't dumping higher and higher voltage to get frequency, the diminishing returns on voltage vs frequency (see Ryzen, where a 20% improvement in clock…

> That being said, a 4ghz Skylake core crushes a 4ghz Core 2 core. Core 2 Duos were slower per clock than Pentium 4s, I think by quite a bit. It was a real set back for performance when they came out.

That can't obviously be true except for some certainly specific workloads.

Core 2 was the breakthrough that left AMD in the dust from which it still hasn't recovered to parity. Even if I can't recall the numbers, I fail to remember how the very energy-intensive (high clocked) Pentium 4 could have been faster per clock.

Are you sure you're not thinking of the Pentium 3 to 4 change? After all, Core architecture had more in common with P3, didn't it?

Re: Intel Reveals Post-8th Gen. Core Architecture 10nm+ Ice Lake

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Post by turblety »

Narishma wrote: post #194
turblety wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. Basically the Intel ME is a completely separate ARM processor that's physically stuck onto each Intel Processor. It has direct access to everything the Intel chip does. The memory it's allocating, the hardware commands (ie keyboard, mouse, display), the software running, the processes running. This all happens at a higher level than the actual Intel processor and you have no control over it at all. Basically what…

It's not an ARM processor in the case of Intel.

Ahh thanks, sorry was getting confused. It's AMD's PSP that uses an ARM based spyware kit. I wonder what Intel ME actually runs on then. Probably just another Intel Chip?

Re: Intel Reveals Post-8th Gen. Core Architecture 10nm+ Ice Lake

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Post by reitanqild »

will_hughes wrote: post #167
iplaw wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I will say that, despite its many shortcomings and after I was able to overcome the netbook-induced Atom stigmas, I really do like the Atom for small-business NAS applications.

Pretty sure the comment was about the Atom and Electron editor / framework. https://atom.io/ https://electron.atom.io/

Yes but I too read it twice before I got it.

Re: Intel Reveals Post-8th Gen. Core Architecture 10nm+ Ice Lake

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Post by ori_b »

kakwa_ wrote: post #70
nullnilvoid wrote: post #4

As a consumer, it's great to see competition picking up in the CPU market. Intel does not seem to be able to hold the edge in node process as tsmc and Samsung are matching intel. It has to resort to architecture design.

Well actually I think it's more a case of "increase in performance is becoming harder and harder, the technology leader (Intel) is slowly becoming stuck and the competition (AMD) is catching up". Everybody will be more or less at the same level as it requires huge investments to only get a marginal advantage. Apart from games, I would not be that afraid to install recent pieces of software (browser, office suit, os)…

> Apart from games, I would not be that afraid to install recent pieces of software (browser, office suit, os) on a 10 years old computer (2007 core 2 duo).

The only issue I have with my old laptop from around then is browsing the web. Everything else, the performance is fine.

Re: Intel Reveals Post-8th Gen. Core Architecture 10nm+ Ice Lake

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Post by badwolf »

nowherecat wrote: post #132
turblety wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was this floating around a while ago: https://i.redd.it/id88hvysu3ny.png

Well, this seems quite a bit unsubstantial. If an Intel Employee in that position wanted to leak some real info, i would assume it would be accompanied by something that gives the information some credibility.

You mean an anonymous post on 4chan about Obama spying on Trump isn't super credible? Color me shocked...

Re: Intel Reveals Post-8th Gen. Core Architecture 10nm+ Ice Lake

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Post by frozenport »

TorKlingberg wrote: post #123
frozenport wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Intel chips have a giant iGPU, that on certain models occupies near half the space. It can currently decode 4k Netflix. The technology is equally applicable to GPUs.

The video decoding is done by a hard block called Quick Sync. It's part of the iGPU, but is not using the regular GPU cores.

Yes, but its made with the same lithography - if not the same mask (or equivalent). The lithography is GPU/CPU debate agnostic.

Re: Intel Reveals Post-8th Gen. Core Architecture 10nm+ Ice Lake

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Post by sliverstorm »

kakwa_ wrote: post #70
nullnilvoid wrote: post #4

As a consumer, it's great to see competition picking up in the CPU market. Intel does not seem to be able to hold the edge in node process as tsmc and Samsung are matching intel. It has to resort to architecture design.

Well actually I think it's more a case of "increase in performance is becoming harder and harder, the technology leader (Intel) is slowly becoming stuck and the competition (AMD) is catching up". Everybody will be more or less at the same level as it requires huge investments to only get a marginal advantage. Apart from games, I would not be that afraid to install recent pieces of software (browser, office suit, os)…

Maybe the gains are running out, but that song has been sung for decades and never proved true yet.

It's hard not to look at everything and interpret the marginal gains the past half decade as monopolist laziness/arrogance.

Re: Intel Reveals Post-8th Gen. Core Architecture 10nm+ Ice Lake

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Post by 0xffff2 »

lorenzhs wrote: post #129
verroq wrote: post #32

Anyone else get redirected to malware?

And people get mad on here when I say that I use an adblocker. Until the ad industry gets its shit together, I will continue to do so, as not blocking ads is negligent from a security perspective. This is a terrible state of affairs.

>And people get mad on here when I say that I use an adblocker.

Really? Can you link an example?

Re: Intel Reveals Post-8th Gen. Core Architecture 10nm+ Ice Lake

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Post by old-gregg »

jrs95 wrote: post #204
majidazimi wrote: post #151

Hmmm. It seems Atom/Electron devs need to work hard to slow down new generation processors...

Atom has actually gotten significantly faster recently. It seems they've started to rewrite some core components of it in C++ for performance reasons. I've also used some Electron apps that are very lean. I think it's more of an implementation issue. Slack is pretty terrible at resource usage, for example, but Zeit's Hyper is very efficient & it's resource usage is comparable to iTerm in my experience. Slack's issues…

> Zeit's Hyper is very efficient

Ladies and gentlemen! I present you the efficient terminal application, which only needs:

         Process        Memory      Threads
         -------        ---------   -------
         Hyper	        40.8 MB	    32
         Hyper Helper	51.9 MB	    15
         Hyper Helper	18.8 MB	    12
         Hyper Helper	15.2 MB	    4

         Total:         126.7 MB    64
On a serious note, I think the insanity will stop when the operating systems will start shaming badly written applications and nudge users to get rid of them. It is in Apple/Microsoft interest, because users will blame their computers ("My Windows is getting slow...").

The phones already show the list of power hungry apps responsible for your battery life reduction, having this on a desktop would be nice too. If even a terminal needs 64 threads and 126MB of RAM now... looks like some wrist-slapping is in order...

Re: Intel Reveals Post-8th Gen. Core Architecture 10nm+ Ice Lake

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Post by bertjk »

bitL wrote: post #155
ZenoArrow wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Intel didn't buy NVIDIA, but they did buy Altera, and there's plenty of room for growth with FPGAs.

Aren't FPGAs mainly for design phase and the real crunching in the industry done on ASICs? At least whole automotive industry works that way - FPGAs to design/test stuff, ASICs for production and making money.

It mostly depends on how many you are planning to sell. For a given performance/functionality, FPGAs cost more per chip than ASICs. But ASICs come with a much greater upfront fixed cost.
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