What will be the clock when single threaded? Can we get above 5GHz finally?
5GHz is not that unreachable:
i5-4670K AT 5GHZ OC On a $30 Air Cooler https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUHm2qHI3gc
Intel Reveals Post-8th Gen. Core Architecture 10nm+ Ice Lake
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Re: Intel Reveals Post-8th Gen. Core Architecture 10nm+ Ice Lake
#102I wonder if this one will come with free backdoors and spyware installed, thanks to the wonderful Intel Management Engine (Intel ME) backdoor. [1][2][3] Intel (and AMT) keep pushing more and more proprietary code that can not be read, changed or removed. No one knows exactly what it does and it has built in screen and key recording. It's my advice and the advice of privacy advocates that no one should purchase or use…
> no one should purchase or use any processor made by Intel or AMD until they address these serious issues.
so go back to stone age by stop using all PCs/Servers? nice troll.
Re: Intel Reveals Post-8th Gen. Core Architecture 10nm+ Ice Lake
#103I wonder if this one will come with free backdoors and spyware installed, thanks to the wonderful Intel Management Engine (Intel ME) backdoor. [1][2][3] Intel (and AMT) keep pushing more and more proprietary code that can not be read, changed or removed. No one knows exactly what it does and it has built in screen and key recording. It's my advice and the advice of privacy advocates that no one should purchase or use…
The backdoor is super useful for large enterprises, don't hope for much.
The issue I have is companies like Google and Puri.sm have asked Intel and AMD for a blank signed blob that completely disables ME but they have refused this. It would take them literally no time at all. This raises all sorts of red flags that something dodgy is going on.
If you had the chance to make a supplier who creates millions of chromebooks happy, wouldn't you take every opportunity to help them, especially if it costs you little to no money at all. Obviously there is a big reason why they don't want this backdoor removed.
Re: Intel Reveals Post-8th Gen. Core Architecture 10nm+ Ice Lake
#104I wonder if this one will come with free backdoors and spyware installed, thanks to the wonderful Intel Management Engine (Intel ME) backdoor. [1][2][3] Intel (and AMT) keep pushing more and more proprietary code that can not be read, changed or removed. No one knows exactly what it does and it has built in screen and key recording. It's my advice and the advice of privacy advocates that no one should purchase or use…
> no one should purchase or use any processor made by Intel or AMD until they address these serious issues. so go back to stone age by stop using all PCs/Servers? nice troll.
Have a look at https://minifree.org/ and a few Chromebooks (obviously with the operating system replaced). There are some options, but yeah it's a big problem that the microprocessor market has been locked up by two monopolies.
But I guess people have to make a personal judgement. Is ethics, privacy, freedom more important than a faster processor to run your games on?
Re: Intel Reveals Post-8th Gen. Core Architecture 10nm+ Ice Lake
#105I wonder if this one will come with free backdoors and spyware installed, thanks to the wonderful Intel Management Engine (Intel ME) backdoor. [1][2][3] Intel (and AMT) keep pushing more and more proprietary code that can not be read, changed or removed. No one knows exactly what it does and it has built in screen and key recording. It's my advice and the advice of privacy advocates that no one should purchase or use…
I'm not sure this should be discussed in this thread. Also, I don't know of any alternative that doesn't have large unauditable blobs integrated into the chip. All ARM SoCs come with radio processors that are running a non-trivial piece of software with full access to the system memory, which is responsible for power management, boot sequence and wireless communications. It is by definition network connected. AMD has…
Why should a serious backdoor, privacy concerns and ethical problems with a monopolies new product not be discussed in a thread about that product? Not sure I get your point on that.
But yeah you are totally right on the alternatives. Nothing quite matches Intel and AMD, and a lot of those ARM SoC's have proprietary code running on their bootloader too. But you can get some processor from 7 years ago that are usable.
OpenPOWER is fantastic though and has real potential. There were a few projects out there looking to implement a laptop and personal desktop computer using it, but unfortunatly didn't reach it's funding goals.
I think the more people that know about Intel and AMD's shading practices that more funding open hardware projects can get, and maybe in the next few years we can replace Intel and AMD with ethical and open solutions.
Re: Intel Reveals Post-8th Gen. Core Architecture 10nm+ Ice Lake
#106According to the table in the article: - 2011: 32nm - 2012: 22nm - 2014: 14nm - 2018?: 10nm I don't know much about foundry processes, but it seems that it's taking more and more time for lesser and lesser gains, right? At this rate, how long until we reach sub nanometer? What are the physical limits on these processes, and does it have any implications for end users? Will we be using 2nm CPUs for 50 years? Would lov…
I think that beyond our current processes, there is the potential for different materials to take the place of XXnm silicon processes, which could fit more transistors in a smaller area. Research like: http://news.stanford.edu/press-releases/2017/08/11/new-ultra... "3D" processes which build multiple layers on top of one another may also see more investment as other methods become prohibitively expensive. And once yo…
People are already stacking multiple layers today for memory, although the layers are always manufactured separately and then bonded together in a separate step.
I wouldn't be surprised to see more of that in the future, think caches on top of cores, but I doubt we'll ever see multiple layers of transistors produced in a single step. Technical challenges aside, the economics of trying to produce multiple layers at once are just always going to be worse: higher latency from a wafer entering a fab to finishing the wafer, and much higher rate of defects. (When you produce the layers separately, you can potentially test them separately before putting them together, which is a huge win for defect rate.)
It's possible that manufacturing multiple layers at once might eventually allow for a higher density of vertical interconnects, but I just don't see that becoming the deciding factor.
Re: Intel Reveals Post-8th Gen. Core Architecture 10nm+ Ice Lake
#107At this point real compute happens on the GPU. I think we'll see a shift to major apps being driven by GPGPU. The CPU's performance has started matter less and less.
GPUs are only useful if your problem is data parallel. The majority of compute intensive problems that are also data parallel at the same time have been shifted to GPUs and SIMD instructions already. A GPU isn't some pixie dust that makes everything faster.
Re: Intel Reveals Post-8th Gen. Core Architecture 10nm+ Ice Lake
#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
> no one should purchase or use any processor made by Intel or AMD until they address these serious issues. so go back to stone age by stop using all PCs/Servers? nice troll.
Have a look at https://minifree.org/ and a few Chromebooks (obviously with the operating system replaced). There are some options, but yeah it's a big problem that the microprocessor market has been locked up by two monopolies. But I guess people have to make a personal judgement. Is ethics, privacy, freedom more important than a faster processor to run your games on?
Sure, because we only use computers to play games on...
Re: Intel Reveals Post-8th Gen. Core Architecture 10nm+ Ice Lake
#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not sure this should be discussed in this thread. Also, I don't know of any alternative that doesn't have large unauditable blobs integrated into the chip. All ARM SoCs come with radio processors that are running a non-trivial piece of software with full access to the system memory, which is responsible for power management, boot sequence and wireless communications. It is by definition network connected. AMD has…
Why should a serious backdoor, privacy concerns and ethical problems with a monopolies new product not be discussed in a thread about that product? Not sure I get your point on that. But yeah you are totally right on the alternatives. Nothing quite matches Intel and AMD, and a lot of those ARM SoC's have proprietary code running on their bootloader too. But you can get some processor from 7 years ago that are usable.…
I agree, this has to be allowed to be discussed about, it's literally about the product.
Haven't heard about OpenPOWER, I hope more people are made aware of alternatives to get funding and spin.
There are some ARM processors that live without blobs, I think Olimex produces what they call open-source hardware (OSHW), is this an acceptable product?
Re: Intel Reveals Post-8th Gen. Core Architecture 10nm+ Ice Lake
#110According to the table in the article: - 2011: 32nm - 2012: 22nm - 2014: 14nm - 2018?: 10nm I don't know much about foundry processes, but it seems that it's taking more and more time for lesser and lesser gains, right? At this rate, how long until we reach sub nanometer? What are the physical limits on these processes, and does it have any implications for end users? Will we be using 2nm CPUs for 50 years? Would lov…
All you get now is power reduction. Performance is completely bottlenecked since 22nm. Peak computing!