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Re: Text Messages Between Travis Kalanick and Anthony Levandowski

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Post by gruturo »

b4ux1t3 wrote: post #25
gruturo wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla will do self driving without a LIDAR, just cameras (ok, 8 of those), a RADAR and some ultrasonic distance sensors: https://electrek.co/2016/10/20/tesla-new-autopilot-hardware-... Some people believe this to be impossible for the time being - LIDAR gives you a 3d point cloud (every obstacle, with its distance from you measured), which is amazing (but currently expensive, bulky, fragile, etc) while with cameras i…

I know that you were just doing a tl;dr and not necessarily trying to start a discussion about it, but wow, that seems kinda stupid to be coming out of someone who is ostensibly fairly intelligent. A 3D point cloud is great, but with the raw computing power we have these days, image processing should be pretty reliable, at least until LIDAR becomes more. . .well, reliable and affordable. Doesn't the HoloLens just use…

> A 3D point cloud is great, but with the raw computing power we have these days, image processing should be pretty reliable

In theory? Yes.

In practice? That's how the first autopilot fatality happened. The image processing confused the white side of a semi truck with the sky.

Re: Text Messages Between Travis Kalanick and Anthony Levandowski

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Post by SimbaOnSteroids »

gruturo wrote: post #13
loceng wrote: post #8

"Uber Saw Tesla as a Huge Competitor While Uber followed Google’s cars closely, it was Tesla and Elon Musk that the duo discussed most frequently. 9/14/2016 Levandowski: Tesla crash in January … implies Elon is lying about millions of miles without incident. We should have LDP on Tesla just to catch all the crashes that are going on. 9/22/2016: We’ve got to start calling Elon on his shit. I'm not on social media but…

Tesla will do self driving without a LIDAR, just cameras (ok, 8 of those), a RADAR and some ultrasonic distance sensors: https://electrek.co/2016/10/20/tesla-new-autopilot-hardware-... Some people believe this to be impossible for the time being - LIDAR gives you a 3d point cloud (every obstacle, with its distance from you measured), which is amazing (but currently expensive, bulky, fragile, etc) while with cameras i…

The irony is a car with LIDAR on it won't sell, it looks ugly and too foreign. Tesla is designing with asthetics in mind.

Re: Text Messages Between Travis Kalanick and Anthony Levandowski

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Post by SimbaOnSteroids »

b4ux1t3 wrote: post #25
gruturo wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla will do self driving without a LIDAR, just cameras (ok, 8 of those), a RADAR and some ultrasonic distance sensors: https://electrek.co/2016/10/20/tesla-new-autopilot-hardware-... Some people believe this to be impossible for the time being - LIDAR gives you a 3d point cloud (every obstacle, with its distance from you measured), which is amazing (but currently expensive, bulky, fragile, etc) while with cameras i…

I know that you were just doing a tl;dr and not necessarily trying to start a discussion about it, but wow, that seems kinda stupid to be coming out of someone who is ostensibly fairly intelligent. A 3D point cloud is great, but with the raw computing power we have these days, image processing should be pretty reliable, at least until LIDAR becomes more. . .well, reliable and affordable. Doesn't the HoloLens just use…

Yes the HoloLens uses IR to map it's environment, however if you move to an area that has a window it throws a caniption fit.

Re: Text Messages Between Travis Kalanick and Anthony Levandowski

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Post by swang »

> A source close to Uber’s operations says its engineers watched the intersection where Uber’s cars were said to have run the red light, and that this text refers to them recording a number of normal, human-operated vehicles also breaking the law. Uber has never officially admitted that its software was to blame.

is the implication here that that intersection has a lot of red light runners? if so, are they so dense in not understanding how normal people running red lights is less of an issue here than a machine running that red light?

normal humans run red lights because they're either not paying attention or they're assholes. how is a machine safer or better if it can't pay attention (or even worse, is an asshole).

someone could have died because uber decided the rules didn't apply to them. it's ridiculous that they're still allowed to operate in california.

Re: Text Messages Between Travis Kalanick and Anthony Levandowski

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Post by paul6987 »

swang wrote: post #34

> A source close to Uber’s operations says its engineers watched the intersection where Uber’s cars were said to have run the red light, and that this text refers to them recording a number of normal, human-operated vehicles also breaking the law. Uber has never officially admitted that its software was to blame. is the implication here that that intersection has a lot of red light runners? if so, are they so dense i…

Don't forget illegally running autonomous tractor trailers in Palo Alto and on the roads of Nevada.

These guys are criminals... total disregard for human life (but their own) in every shape and way there is. From potentially killing people, too treating everyone is who not their BRO like trash; drivers, employees, customers, business partners, etc, etc, etc... GROSS!

Re: Text Messages Between Travis Kalanick and Anthony Levandowski

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Post by OzzyB »

cm2187 wrote: post #30
empath75 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anything you do that's business related could end up on the front page of the NY Times. I would be extremely careful about what you do on corporate provided phones and email.

Published AND edited. They will delete the part of the sentence that makes it explicit you are joking about something.

Published AND edited AND photoshopped -- into a nice fake iPhone stock photo for maximum effect.

Re: Text Messages Between Travis Kalanick and Anthony Levandowski

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Post by jacquesm »

loceng wrote: post #6
empath75 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anything you do that's business related could end up on the front page of the NY Times. I would be extremely careful about what you do on corporate provided phones and email.

Zuckerberg's early days of conversation released didn't seem to hurt him making $40B+ - I always wondered if FB censored/prevented the spread of that information relating to him on FB.

Who knows where he would have ended otherwise.

Re: Text Messages Between Travis Kalanick and Anthony Levandowski

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Post by hyperbovine »

TAForObvReasons wrote: post #20
Overtonwindow wrote: post #16

I can't help but shake a feeling that all of this posting of text messages is just trying to shame Levandowski, Kalanick, or both.

Any "leak" is intended to weaken/shame some party. The unknown is whether it's an attack on Levandowski/Otto, Uber, Kalanick, or all of the above.

The source of these texts are unsealed court documents. Like it or not, these things can become part of the public record if you get sued.

Re: Text Messages Between Travis Kalanick and Anthony Levandowski

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Post by umeshunni »

mikeevans wrote: post #15

Simply unbelievable how much garbage is on that web page without an ad blocker (I put a box around the actual content that appears without having to scroll): http://i.imgur.com/0S2FIAW.png

Here's a direct link to the texts:

http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3932688-TEXTS-From-AL...

Re: Text Messages Between Travis Kalanick and Anthony Levandowski

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Post by furioussloth »

swang wrote: post #34

> A source close to Uber’s operations says its engineers watched the intersection where Uber’s cars were said to have run the red light, and that this text refers to them recording a number of normal, human-operated vehicles also breaking the law. Uber has never officially admitted that its software was to blame. is the implication here that that intersection has a lot of red light runners? if so, are they so dense i…

weren't they suspended? Also i doubt they coded it in their software to break the signal , can't believe you just implied that. It surely was a bug in software and I hope they got fined for it and took steps to fix it. Testing self-driving cars is not trivial, pretty much everyone who is testing them have screwed up here and there. That's the reason the person behind the wheel should be vigilant.
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