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Text Messages Between Travis Kalanick and Anthony Levandowski

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Re: Text Messages Between Travis Kalanick and Anthony Levandowski

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Simply unbelievable how much garbage is on that web page without an ad blocker (I put a box around the actual content that appears without having to scroll): http://i.imgur.com/0S2FIAW.png

Archive.is doesn't have this issue: (http://archive.is/k7vgK)

Re: Text Messages Between Travis Kalanick and Anthony Levandowski

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post #7

I didn't read much of the transcript, however these guys must be intelligent enough to keep what they know to likely be illegal as a private in-person conversation without record?

Most (though not all) people are probably smart enough not to send a text or an email like "Where should we dump the body." However, the totality of a bunch of emails or texts, considered together with other evidence, can certainly be suggestive even if there's no smoking gun.

Re: Text Messages Between Travis Kalanick and Anthony Levandowski

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post #7

I didn't read much of the transcript, however these guys must be intelligent enough to keep what they know to likely be illegal as a private in-person conversation without record?

Possibly communicated through other channels as well like Signal or Whatsapp.

Re: Text Messages Between Travis Kalanick and Anthony Levandowski

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post #8

"Uber Saw Tesla as a Huge Competitor While Uber followed Google’s cars closely, it was Tesla and Elon Musk that the duo discussed most frequently. 9/14/2016 Levandowski: Tesla crash in January … implies Elon is lying about millions of miles without incident. We should have LDP on Tesla just to catch all the crashes that are going on. 9/22/2016: We’ve got to start calling Elon on his shit. I'm not on social media but…

Multiple images can be used to compute a 3D point cloud. This is computer vision stuff around for many years. The challenge is this is a passive sensor in that the cameras count on light illuminating the scene. So at night; in bright light (that causes images to blow out); shadows; etc; you can have voids. If a person is in that void bad things can happen.

But cameras now cost under a $1 each in volume (thanks smartphones!) so dirt cheap. An imaging based point cloud extraction system main components are therefore cheap. Add a GPU enabled system to process (it's quite compute heavy) and you are set. OpenCV has the algorithms needed.

LiDAR is an active sensor in that the laser "illuminates" the target area. This adds cost but that is coming down quickly. Also as the sensor delivered 3D points (not images) the computational cost with images can be saved; so less CPU/GPU required.

Levandowski is a LiDAR guy. It's what he believes is the best solution for the problem.

Some feel that LiDAR is not a fit either as it doesn't work well in rain/fog/sleet/snow. There was a youtube video showing a self driving car running a test course in clear weather and again in the rain. You would not want to be a pedestrian during the rain test.

In reality this is all engineering dick waving. Prices will come down and the sensor payload will converge.

For full autonomy it is likely that cameras, LiDAR, Radar, and sonar all will be used. They all bring some advantage to the problem that addresses a weakness of one of the other sensor techs.

Oh yeah, and Levandowski is a complete prick. Someone should teach him about IP theft and give him a prison life lesson. He's going to need it.

Re: Text Messages Between Travis Kalanick and Anthony Levandowski

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post #13
post #8

"Uber Saw Tesla as a Huge Competitor While Uber followed Google’s cars closely, it was Tesla and Elon Musk that the duo discussed most frequently. 9/14/2016 Levandowski: Tesla crash in January … implies Elon is lying about millions of miles without incident. We should have LDP on Tesla just to catch all the crashes that are going on. 9/22/2016: We’ve got to start calling Elon on his shit. I'm not on social media but…

Tesla will do self driving without a LIDAR, just cameras (ok, 8 of those), a RADAR and some ultrasonic distance sensors: https://electrek.co/2016/10/20/tesla-new-autopilot-hardware-... Some people believe this to be impossible for the time being - LIDAR gives you a 3d point cloud (every obstacle, with its distance from you measured), which is amazing (but currently expensive, bulky, fragile, etc) while with cameras i…

I know that you were just doing a tl;dr and not necessarily trying to start a discussion about it, but wow, that seems kinda stupid to be coming out of someone who is ostensibly fairly intelligent.

A 3D point cloud is great, but with the raw computing power we have these days, image processing should be pretty reliable, at least until LIDAR becomes more. . .well, reliable and affordable.

Doesn't the HoloLens just use an IR camera to map its environment in real time?

Re: Text Messages Between Travis Kalanick and Anthony Levandowski

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Reading their exchanges its more interesting than just finding stuff about the court case. Specifically how these insiders think about their competitors. Such as how they think that Elon is the biggest competitor and how they wanted to partner with Google.

I guess that's because of Tesla's advantage in vertical integration -- they control the entire stack unlike Waymo or Uber who have to retrofit their gear into specific car models.

Tesla's tech is generally considered weaker but Musk could still catch up and overtake by playing the "worse is better" card.

Re: Text Messages Between Travis Kalanick and Anthony Levandowski

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post #4

> 7/23/2016 Kalanick: You hungry? .. Can get some Uber Eats steak and eggs. Travis shows dog fooding at its best.

Even specifies "Uber" Eats. That's a CEO right there.

Exactly. The man doesn't have an off switch. It's like Alec Baldwin talking to the sales guys: "Always be closing!"

Re: Text Messages Between Travis Kalanick and Anthony Levandowski

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post #8

"Uber Saw Tesla as a Huge Competitor While Uber followed Google’s cars closely, it was Tesla and Elon Musk that the duo discussed most frequently. 9/14/2016 Levandowski: Tesla crash in January … implies Elon is lying about millions of miles without incident. We should have LDP on Tesla just to catch all the crashes that are going on. 9/22/2016: We’ve got to start calling Elon on his shit. I'm not on social media but…

Tesla’s new self-driving car can only make you money on the ride-sharing ‘Tesla Network’, not Uber or Lyft (2016)

https://electrek.co/2016/10/19/teslas-new-self-driving-car-c...

that is the bigest challenge for Uber if tesla decides to completely integrate vertically and as a big fleet.

Re: Text Messages Between Travis Kalanick and Anthony Levandowski

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Simply unbelievable how much garbage is on that web page without an ad blocker (I put a box around the actual content that appears without having to scroll): http://i.imgur.com/0S2FIAW.png

We've so far since 1999, and we have so much further to go.

Re: Text Messages Between Travis Kalanick and Anthony Levandowski

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post #5

i don't understand how us the public are allowed to read a private conversation. Don't take me wrong i enjoyed reading it, it felt like snooping, but isn't it a blatant privacy violation?

Anything you do that's business related could end up on the front page of the NY Times. I would be extremely careful about what you do on corporate provided phones and email.

Published AND edited. They will delete the part of the sentence that makes it explicit you are joking about something.
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