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Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by sctb »

throwawaymanbot wrote: post #125
nmbr213 wrote: post #90

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> Nazis, KKK, and white supremacists terrorized a town They had a permit to hold that meeting. They could've showed off their bigotry peacefully, but police pushed them where Antifa counter-protested so both sides started to shout at each other which turned into a fight. It happened that way in Berkeley. Now it happened in Charlottetown. And it's going to happen again unless police starts doing it's job and protect p…

Always the snowflake right. Boo-hoo... its everyone else's fault one of our young racist fascists could not restrain his emotions and plowed in to a crowd of people. boo hoo.. poor us, us racists get so much abuse.. boo hoo. The fact of the matter is someone died and many many got injured, because some young guy hopped up on fervent radical white nationalism (that you seem to subscribe to pathetically) decided to mak…

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Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by sctb »

ahugebeach wrote: post #280
FussyZeus wrote: post #205

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I used to believe that; but the attitude in America that it's free speech and everyone should have their say, while applicable to nearly anything, does have many exceptions. The ideology that caused, directly and without ambiguity, the death of over 6 million people is not a position to be argued, it's not a viewpoint worthy of consideration. It's possibly the only one humans should just say "You know, this has nothi…

Communism and religion killed way more people than 6 million. Yet we dont ban them, yet.

This is the spark of the most tedious, hopeless, information-free kind of flamewar. They don't belong on HN and you're not welcome to incite them.

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Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by fhood »

leesalminen wrote: post #315
fhood wrote: post #232

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go look up the percentages on ideological crimes in America. You'll find right wing > muslim > left wing

That doesn't seem to be entirely true. According to PBS, "far-right extremists tend to be more active in committing homicides, yet Islamist extremists tend to be more deadly." Are we comparing percentage of deaths or number of events? Personally, I think both sides are fueled by religious beliefs. Their hate is cut from the same cloth. [0] http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/analysis-deadly-threat-f...

I was only referring to number of crimes committed

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by sctb »

pinaceae wrote: post #290
andriesm wrote: post #178

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Why are you getting so personal in attacking this dude? One can support a Nazi's right to free speech even while being 100 percent against Nazis or Nazism.

And this position conflates free speech with consequence free speech. You have the right in the US to openly be a Nazi. I also have the right to call you a fucking Nazi for it. I am also free to remind you what the US did to Nazis in WW2 and in the Nürnberg trials. And I can remind you that anyone that thinks that the US did the wrong thing back then, well, is a Nazi enabler. So, you see, if you join a club that call…

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Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

leereeves wrote: post #330
JoeAltmaier wrote: post #288

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But to be fair, there's no going back. Automation means we don't actually need people to do huge numbers of things. Those displaced people may never have a job again. What got us here, won't get us where we're going. It's all going to have to be reexamined.

> Those displaced people may never have a job again. The unemployment rate is at the lowest level since 2001, and excluding 2000-2001, the lowest level since 1969. https://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=z1ebjpgk2654c1_...

And next, McD's and Carls' are planning to do away with the counter staff. Banks automating tellers completely. Some 30 millions of Americans out of a job, at the lowest levels. What then?

Automation is exploding at a dizzying rate for a decade now. Our ability to accommodate will be exceeded soon.

Further, that graph looks like what happens when people fall off the employment rolls - they quit looking for a job and no longer show up as 'unemployed'. How can we tell that's not responsible?

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by pjc50 »

lliamander wrote: post #274
pjc50 wrote: post #209

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The right-wing violence runs a lot further than that, all the way back to the Civil War and the people who went to war to defend their "right" to violence against black people. There is a continuous line between that and today. The Charlottesville protests were centered on a statue: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/13/us/charlottesville-rally-...

> The Charlottesville protests were centered on a statue You know, in Seattle there is a rather grand looking statue of Lenin. He was a rather evil guy. Who gets to decide which statue stays and which goes?

Did the Americans ask the Iraqi zoning board before pulling down all those statues of Saddam Hussein?

Less controversially, there is actually a political process here, and in the normal manner the city had decided to remove the statue. The white supremacists decided to demonstrate against this, sparking the violence.

The statue recently pulled down in Durham NC is a different Confederate statue.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by freehunter »

talmand wrote: post #320
freehunter wrote: post #291

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I don’t understand that. Democrats today fight for civil rights for minorities. Surely you can’t argue against that. It’s part of the core platform. Democrats of the 1860s fought to keep black people enslaved. You yourself said this. So with those two statements, how can you then argue that the positions have not flipped? How does that even reconcile in your mind?

Just because the Democrats altered their message doesn't mean that the Republicans had to have changed in response.

You're right, it doesn't mean they had to. But they did. The Civil War was fought to abolish slavery, basically a civil rights argument. It was fought and won by the Republicans. Where do the Republicans stand on civil rights issues today? Would Republicans fight a war to protect gay marriage? Would they fight a war to keep businesses from hiring illegal immigrants and paying them pennies on the dollar while working them in horrible conditions? Once upon a time they fought a war to protect the rights of workers and humans who were being taken advantage of, would they do the same today?

Even more recently, Ronald Reagan supported strong gun control. He's the reason California has such strict gun laws. How about Nixon, a Republican who created the EPA that modern Republicans hate so much? Lincoln was also strongly pro-immigration, saying at one point "Foreign immigration... should be fostered and encouraged by a liberal and just policy". By 1920, they said "the practical exclusion of Asiatic immigrants is sound and should be maintained". Seems like a pretty big shift to me!

The Republicans of today, even moderate Republicans, are not the Republicans of yesterday, or yesteryear. It would be political suicide to run on some of the most successful Republican platforms from even 30 years ago.

So again I ask, how can you reconcile in your mind the idea that ye olde Democrats are pro-slavery and ye olde Republicans are the party that fought against the South in the Civil War with your claim that they have in no way changed positions over the years?

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by specialist »

humanrebar wrote: post #273
specialist wrote: post #231

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Left wing violence? Such as? Reminds me of the time someone cited the Rodney King riots as examples of left-wing hate speech. Or when the protestors at the WTO summit had to physically prevent some testosterone filled teenage agitators from Oregon, self-described "anarchists", from breaking crap because the police wouldn't act. (Almost as if allowing some violence to make the evening news served their purpose. Hmmmm.…

Anarchists in Oregon are as left wing as racists in Charlotte are right wing. The standard there would be how they (probably) vote, right? Or are there other criteria you would prefer?

Have you read Jonah Goldberg's Liberal Fascism? Did you like it? Agree? Disagree?

I ask because I'm hoping someone can explain the mental gymnastics required to believe such nonsense.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by leereeves »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #335
leereeves wrote: post #330

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> Those displaced people may never have a job again. The unemployment rate is at the lowest level since 2001, and excluding 2000-2001, the lowest level since 1969. https://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=z1ebjpgk2654c1_...

And next, McD's and Carls' are planning to do away with the counter staff. Banks automating tellers completely. Some 30 millions of Americans out of a job, at the lowest levels. What then? Automation is exploding at a dizzying rate for a decade now. Our ability to accommodate will be exceeded soon. Further, that graph looks like what happens when people fall off the employment rolls - they quit looking for a job and…

The number of people employed is also at an all-time high.

https://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=z1ebjpgk2654c1_...

Automation may change that in the future, or people may insist on dealing with humans, or new jobs may emerge. Who can predict the future?

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by freehunter »

lliamander wrote: post #275
freehunter wrote: post #260

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Democrats today are not Democrats of yesteryear. The ideology of the two parties switched during the Civil Rights movement. The Civil War was not “left wing violence”.

How about the French Revolution?

If we're bringing European politics into a US discussion, then we should arrest everyone displaying Nazi symbols or using the Nazi salute, and we should probably also ban displays of the Confederate flag as well. Also now the Democratic party is far-right extremism, and the Republicans are banned by law.

I'm loving my new single-payer healthcare and free college tuition, though.

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