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Post by soundwave106 »

AnotXOR wrote: post #227
heartbreak wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He retweeted this last night: https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/897107711434915842

That's racist? How is pointing out an ongoing bloodbath in Chicago, where most victims are not well-to-do fellow "white supremists", racist? To be fair you have to admit Trump has a lot more on his mind than just one white supremacist rally and he's been trying to get involved in Chicago's violence since before the election.

That's classic whataboutism and incorrect as well. There's been plenty of media coverage about the Chicago gang violence (and other inner city gang violence) over the years. Political protests, as well as terrorist acts, do tend to receive more intense coverage than ongoing systematic violence.

I don't know about this Twitter account, but I do personally consider it racist when reporting or discussions are angled to only report ethnic group targets (or other tribes) negatively. Whataboutism like this is also a signal to me.

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Post by snsr »

pyroinferno wrote: post #181

Just wanted to add this, there is videos of the guy's car getting attacked right before he ran into that crowd of people (he was coming to a stop in front of the crowd). I think this case isn't that black and white.

Absolutely incorrect. No brakes, and he sped up. This was an intentional attack.

https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/896433978810519552/pu/p...

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Post by jaredklewis »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #179
jaredklewis wrote: post #177

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> Obama has not denounced radical Islamic terrorism Well yea, Obama, like George Bush before him, didn't use those exact words because it's a pointlessly offensive term. There are 1.6 billion Muslims in the world. Almost all of those 1.6 billion people are peaceful, responsible humans, just living their lives. Obama and Bush denounced terrorism all the time. But both of them, being somewhat more thoughtful than Trump…

Radical Islamists are to Muslims as white supremacists are to white people.

In the sense that are a tiny subset of a much larger group? Well, sure I agree.

Or in the sense that "white supremacist" besmirches white people the way that "Radical Islamist" besmirches Islam? Ok, I'm not against referring to them just as "racists" or the groups by their respective names (Neo-Nazis, KKK, and so on).

In either case, your comparison between Trump and Obama doesn't hold up.

> "Trump has not denounced white supremacist terrorism" is the equivalent to "Obama has not denounced radical Islamic terrorism".

Obama DID denounce "radical Islamic terrorism," though he did not use that exact term, for the reasons described above. For example, Obama said the following regarding the San Bernardino shooters:

> So far, we have no evidence that the killers were directed by a terrorist organization overseas, or that they were part of a broader conspiracy here at home. But it is clear that the two of them had gone down the dark path of radicalization, embracing a perverted interpretation of Islam that calls for war against America and the West. They had stockpiled assault weapons, ammunition, and pipe bombs. So this was an act of terrorism, designed to kill innocent people.

Trump denounced the racists in Charlottesville on Monday, but his statement Saturday did not.

It just vaguely criticized "hatred and bigotry," without referencing the fact that in this case the hatred and bigotry was that of Neo-Nazis, KKK, and other racist groups. To me, his statement sounded like he thought the counter-protesters were equally guilty of "hatred and bigotry", and I think many other people felt the same.

If Trump's statement Saturday had been like the one on Monday, there would have been no controversy.

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Post by graycat »

heartbreak wrote: post #269
graycat wrote: post #257

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I'm sorry: This "failed to denounce" is just a game, part of the news gossip I described. And the second play of the game is failed to denounce "soon enough". Trump did NOTHING at all wrong. His first speech was fine, presidential, responsible, good leadership, highly ethical, calm the nation, slow, hopefully stop, the violence, save more people from getting killed. The failed to denounce soon enough, strongly enough…

White supremacists came to my city and killed a woman 4 blocks up the street from my house, and the President's message was "there was violence on all sides". Only one side came to Charlottesville and killed someone. Only one side came to Charlottesville and chanted "Blood and Soil" while holding 200 torches in front of the Rotunda. Trump explicitly refused to acknowledge white supremacists when asked about it. The q…

He's trying to calm people down and save lives.

The newsies want to have Trump provoke a fight. E.g., if Trump denounces some group, then opposing groups will be more motivated to attack with violence. You can't see this?

And the dirty dog newsies were trying to get Trump to provoke fights. Then some people would die, and the newsies would get more headlines.

Look fellow citizen: We are a free country. You get to believe what you want. We have a free press that gets to ask any provocative, dangerous, accusatory, BS questions they want and write nearly any total BS stories they want.

BUT, then, it is up to you, good US citizen, to wise up and filter out the obvious manipulation to get your eyeballs, clicks, and ad revenue.

The newsies ask these total, dangerous, BS questions but, then, prove that Trump is a plenty good enough leader not to fall for that trap. Newsies are often trying to get the POTUS to do something really dumb that would hurt the country so that the newsies can have a story, get eyeballs, clicks, and dollars.

You just fell for the newsie BS.

It's DANGEROUS stuff, stands to get people killed, could cancel a solid democratic election, and seriously hurt our country. It could start a second civil war -- Flake is doing his best at that.

Don't fall for that newsie stuff. We are both US citizens: We need to keep the newsies from inciting violence and a civil war and ruining our country.

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Post by soundwave106 »

BeetleB wrote: post #267
woofyman wrote: post #37

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There's a time for that discussion. But not now. Nazis, KKK, and white supremacists terrorized a town and killed a women. And our morally depraved president couldn't bring himself to put a name to evil.

>There's a time for that discussion. But not now. No. The time is now. Without going into my stance, I will say that in all my years observing politics, every single time I've heard this comment it's to hide a double standard. Not a single exception. How do I know this? Because when that time does come (in this case it would be violence by the left), they are silent, and will not condemn. This is as good a time as an…

Do you have some clear examples of this? Thinking back to the last notable American left-wing oriented violent act (the 2017 Congressional baseball game shooting), I cannot think of a major Democratic politician that did not strongly condemn the act. Who is the "they" you are speaking of?

In fact, regarding Charlottesville, this really isn't a right wing issue, it's a Trump issue. Most Republican leaders that I can think of condemned this immediately and strongly as well. Trump's response was unusually tepid at first, which is what people are taking issue with.

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Post by heartbreak »

graycat wrote: post #325
heartbreak wrote: post #269

Earlier quoted context omitted.

White supremacists came to my city and killed a woman 4 blocks up the street from my house, and the President's message was "there was violence on all sides". Only one side came to Charlottesville and killed someone. Only one side came to Charlottesville and chanted "Blood and Soil" while holding 200 torches in front of the Rotunda. Trump explicitly refused to acknowledge white supremacists when asked about it. The q…

He's trying to calm people down and save lives. The newsies want to have Trump provoke a fight. E.g., if Trump denounces some group, then opposing groups will be more motivated to attack with violence. You can't see this? And the dirty dog newsies were trying to get Trump to provoke fights. Then some people would die, and the newsies would get more headlines. Look fellow citizen: We are a free country. You get to bel…

I wish you would stop calling me a sheep. Have a nice day.

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Post by leereeves »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #288
Qwertious wrote: post #284

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You're not wrong, but your logic is flawed - things are happening now that have never happened before, like New Automation, that are massive game-changers. This means that things that have never worked before, will start working.

But to be fair, there's no going back. Automation means we don't actually need people to do huge numbers of things. Those displaced people may never have a job again. What got us here, won't get us where we're going. It's all going to have to be reexamined.

> Those displaced people may never have a job again.

The unemployment rate is at the lowest level since 2001, and excluding 2000-2001, the lowest level since 1969.

https://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=z1ebjpgk2654c1_...

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