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Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by freehunter »

talmand wrote: post #282
freehunter wrote: post #260

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Democrats today are not Democrats of yesteryear. The ideology of the two parties switched during the Civil Rights movement. The Civil War was not “left wing violence”.

That's the only reason I post such a statement. To see how the myth of the switching parties is still being pushed.

I don’t understand that. Democrats today fight for civil rights for minorities. Surely you can’t argue against that. It’s part of the core platform. Democrats of the 1860s fought to keep black people enslaved. You yourself said this.

So with those two statements, how can you then argue that the positions have not flipped? How does that even reconcile in your mind?

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Post by hsod »

PakG1 wrote: post #128
pen2l wrote: post #92

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Are you enumerating list of CEO's who remain and list of those who have left to.. galvanize some sort of boycotting action? In that case, what about the elephant in the room who had a very considerable part in putting this dude in the white house -- Thiel?

I suspect that you're getting downvoted for saying something that may not have a lot of credibility. Thiel doesn't carry a lot of responsibility for putting Trump into office. To say so overestimates the pull he, an openly gay man, had with Trump's base. I bet most of Trump's base don't even know who Thiel is. Thiel was simply one of the only Silicon Valley guys to recognize that the prosperity experienced by major A…

He also donated 1.25 million dollars: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/16/technology/peter-thiel-do...

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by mi100hael »

freehunter wrote: post #260
talmand wrote: post #255

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Left-wing violence goes back just as much. Those people defending their "rights" in the Civil War were Democrats.

Democrats today are not Democrats of yesteryear. The ideology of the two parties switched during the Civil Rights movement. The Civil War was not “left wing violence”.

That's a pretty gross simplification. Around the time of the Civil War, there were more than two significant parties (including Whigs, Progressives, etc) and they were much less clearly left/right polarized in today's terms. Over the next 100+ years, there was a lot of shifting of policy priorities (from war, to slavery, to business, to civil rights, etc) followed by consolidation culminating with LBJ that left us with the two modern parties.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by fastball »

grasshopperpurp wrote: post #251
fastball wrote: post #65

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If a significant portion of the US population doesn't want Universal Healthcare, then it is too left leaning. Just because many European countries have adopted a policy doesn't mean the US should, especially if the populace disagrees.

This misses the point. The point is that America an extreme-right country. The Democrats are the moderate Right - like the Republicans used to be - and the Republicans are way Right. Removing the context of what it means to be Left or Right - by accepted standards - makes no sense.

Or Europe has a lot of extreme left countries and the US is centre-right? What in the world are "accepted standards"?

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Post by humanrebar »

zimpenfish wrote: post #223
humanrebar wrote: post #197

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There are plenty other examples. I just picked one. The Damore and Eich cases. The professor at the University of Missouri. The assault of Charles Murray.

> The assault of Charles Murray. Is there any concrete proof that it was "liberals" or "the left" who attacked Sanger and pushed the car? It's entirely possible it was but ... (I'd hesitate to call it "assault of Charles Murray" from the news reports, mind.) https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2017/03/06/middlebury-en... (Also Charles Murray is a reprehensible racist who should be denied any public platform for espou…

Sanger was physically attacked. Murray was assaulted IMO (an assault is a threat of violence, not necessarily physical violence). But I could have phrased that better, yes.

We're already deep in the thread so I'll pass on defending Charles Murray. The germane part is that he's on the right and was assaulted by extremists.

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Post by ahugebeach »

jackmott wrote: post #24
pc86 wrote: post #14

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> payroll/labor arbitrage Or as it's known outside of academia, "business."

im not sure many of the disaffected youth turning into nazis have been in academia much

I suspect identity politics from the left is backfiring tremendously combined with a lack of jobs, you have pain and extreme hatred.

Also politics on both the left and right favors global corporations.

Identity politics and failed politics are ripping america apart.

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Post by mantas »

grasshopperpurp wrote: post #261
mantas wrote: post #249

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Their kind of protesting is not my cup of tea. Protests can be done in civilised manner. Theirs, at least the ones that make the news, are not. Looking from afar, they're only hurting their cause. I mean.. if they thrash shit and take over rallies, maybe cops had a reason to shoot? Note - I know there was no reason in at least some cases. The library video with BLM harassing students was extremely embarrassing. Shit…

https://pics.onsizzle.com/why-cant-they-protest-peacefully-o...

Exactly. Why? We managed to get out of fuckin USSR without violent protests. Civil protests and engaging in politics is awesome. But not as easy and fun as smashing shit.

Act like idiots = be treated like idiots.

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Post by usefulcat »

talmand wrote: post #255
pjc50 wrote: post #209

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The right-wing violence runs a lot further than that, all the way back to the Civil War and the people who went to war to defend their "right" to violence against black people. There is a continuous line between that and today. The Charlottesville protests were centered on a statue: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/13/us/charlottesville-rally-...

Left-wing violence goes back just as much. Those people defending their "rights" in the Civil War were Democrats.

There are some times when "technically correct" is most definitely not the best kind of correct. This is one of those times.

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Post by freehunter »

mi100hael wrote: post #293
freehunter wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Democrats today are not Democrats of yesteryear. The ideology of the two parties switched during the Civil Rights movement. The Civil War was not “left wing violence”.

That's a pretty gross simplification. Around the time of the Civil War, there were more than two significant parties (including Whigs, Progressives, etc) and they were much less clearly left/right polarized in today's terms. Over the next 100+ years, there was a lot of shifting of policy priorities (from war, to slavery, to business, to civil rights, etc) followed by consolidation culminating with LBJ that left us wi…

The point is that the people who used to be known as Democrats did not share the same belief that modern Democrats share, so comparing them to each other is ridiculous. It’s like saying “Roman Republicans owned white slaves so all Republicans hate white people”. It’s the same word, yes, but not the same beliefs.

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Post by Pulcinella »

FussyZeus wrote: post #205
andriesm wrote: post #178

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Why are you getting so personal in attacking this dude? One can support a Nazi's right to free speech even while being 100 percent against Nazis or Nazism.

I used to believe that; but the attitude in America that it's free speech and everyone should have their say, while applicable to nearly anything, does have many exceptions. The ideology that caused, directly and without ambiguity, the death of over 6 million people is not a position to be argued, it's not a viewpoint worthy of consideration. It's possibly the only one humans should just say "You know, this has nothi…

It also caused world war. Nazi's and their ideas were straight up enemies of the United States and many other countries.

Edit: Which is to say that I agree with you.

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