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Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by specialist » Tue, Aug 15, 2017, 2:13 PM UTC

lhnz wrote: post #155

jacquesm wrote: post #78

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If you gave up on Trump then that means that you at some point held him closer than you do today. I always thought he was a blow-hard and I'm terribly disappointed that someone like him can be elevated to any position of power. I really hoped that America was wiser than this. > Keep in mind that moderates who dislike Trump from the start can fairly blame left-wing shenanigans, at least partly, for the rise of Trump.…

I've moved from "he's a total idiot who is unwilling to distance himself from the most backwards views of some of his supporters" to "he's a total idiot who's actually causing even deeper polarization since people on the Left aren't able to acknowledge that there are moderates that see him or the 'context' differently to them without implicating themselves as Nazis, and nobody on the Right wants to admit that he's cr…

Left wing violence? Such as?

Reminds me of the time someone cited the Rodney King riots as examples of left-wing hate speech.

Or when the protestors at the WTO summit had to physically prevent some testosterone filled teenage agitators from Oregon, self-described "anarchists", from breaking crap because the police wouldn't act.

(Almost as if allowing some violence to make the evening news served their purpose. Hmmmm.)

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by fhood » Tue, Aug 15, 2017, 2:13 PM UTC

leesalminen wrote: post #217

justin66 wrote: post #174

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> But the Majority Whip for the U.S. Congress is STILL in recovery from a mass shooting over two months ago, by a deranged left-wing activist. > As a moderate, BOTH extremes in the U.S. scare the shit out of me right now. This is painfully ridiculous. The lunatic with a rifle is not representative of Sanders or his supporters, or the left in the U.S. I don't think an honest person of any political stripe would listen…

> The lunatic with a rifle is not representative of Sanders or his supporters And nazis aren't representative of Trump or his supporters. To say otherwise would insinuate that _half the country_ are nazis.

go look up the percentages on ideological crimes in America. You'll find right wing > muslim > left wing

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by enraged_camel » Tue, Aug 15, 2017, 2:14 PM UTC

Dirlewanger wrote: post #139

mrbiber wrote: post #23

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This is not about some general vague problem with "extremism" of which supposedly all sides are guilty. This is about the emergence of a right-wing terrorist movement which has already committed several attacks. When your first reaction to this is to to bring in some unspecified crimes of the left, then this calls into question whether you understand the seriousness of the situation. There is a real chance that real,…

>unspecified crimes of the left Please stop. I guess all the rioting, arson (of which at Berkeley nothing was done about by law enforcement), and assaults (by mainly people hiding their face, mind you) carried out by the anti-Trump crowd this year don't count right? And this isn't to marginalize what happened over the weekend either, but people with polarizing narratives like you are a large part of the problem. We d…

>>assaults (by mainly people hiding their face, mind you)

Antifa also does some nasty things. However, it's worth noting that they hide their face because they don't want to be doxxed by groups such as The_Donald and /pol/.

Fortunately, the Nazis on this weekend's rally weren't so smart, so now quite a few of them have lost their jobs and faced other types of backlash from their friends and neighbors.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by diryawish » Tue, Aug 15, 2017, 2:15 PM UTC

graycat wrote: post #169

I hate to get involved in politics here at HN, but maybe I can contribute a comment that really isn't politics but is business and news strategy ? First, I try to stay up on the news , that is, the facts about what has been happening. Well, there's a lot of news on the Internet, so I can get a lot of input on some version of what has been happening. At this point, to me, the news doesn't make any sense. The news does…

Very good post. Makes me realize how much time I've wasted reading 'news' that is designed to make you feel angry or frustrated.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by AnthonyMouse » Tue, Aug 15, 2017, 2:15 PM UTC

enraged_camel wrote: post #225

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #173

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> Except Trump constantly winks at white supremacists and actively seeks their vote. This argument has never made any sense. White supremacists are concentrated in states that Republicans win by such large margins that victory is assured regardless of how the minority sporting swastika tattoos votes.

His Attorney General, Jeff Sessions, has strong ties to white supremacy, and back in 1986 was considered by both sides of the political aisle to be too racist to be a federal judge. Sessions has a record doing such wonderful things as suing voting rights activists for trying to register black voters[1], and joking that the worst thing about the KKK is their marijuana-smoking members. So tell me: what kind of Presiden…

Cf. Reverend Wright?

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by croon » Tue, Aug 15, 2017, 2:16 PM UTC

Dirlewanger wrote: post #191

croon wrote: post #136

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> At any rate, every study I've seen has confirmed that most media orgs at least lean left 1) Links to studies? 2) Having a leaning in op-eds doesn't mean a bias in facts reported. I'd assume if you have 0 bias there would be no point in lying about facts, but regardless of left-leaning or right-leaning organisations, the real issue is whether you present truth or not.

Politico did a pretty big study on it a couple months back showing that virtually all large outlets are clustered around liberal metropolitan areas. Politico, of all places.

> Politico did a pretty big study on it a couple months back showing that virtually all large outlets are clustered around liberal metropolitan areas. Politico, of all places.

May I suggest that it's not causation?

Other large outlet headquarters:

Fox News: New York City

Breitbart: Los Angeles

Infowars: Austin

A slight change in your text:

> virtually all large [any type of corporation] are clustered around liberal metropolitan areas

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by jacquesm » Tue, Aug 15, 2017, 2:18 PM UTC

lhnz wrote: post #155

jacquesm wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you gave up on Trump then that means that you at some point held him closer than you do today. I always thought he was a blow-hard and I'm terribly disappointed that someone like him can be elevated to any position of power. I really hoped that America was wiser than this. > Keep in mind that moderates who dislike Trump from the start can fairly blame left-wing shenanigans, at least partly, for the rise of Trump.…

I've moved from "he's a total idiot who is unwilling to distance himself from the most backwards views of some of his supporters" to "he's a total idiot who's actually causing even deeper polarization since people on the Left aren't able to acknowledge that there are moderates that see him or the 'context' differently to them without implicating themselves as Nazis, and nobody on the Right wants to admit that he's cr…

> I honestly do not think you are having a healthy dialogue or coming to terms with your own inherent biases yourself.

Since you so clearly perceive those would you mind exposing them?

> My own two-cents are that left-wing violence and anger is partly to blame for both his rise and the deeper polarisation we are now seeing since it enabled the alt-right to play the victim and fight a war of optics [0].

That does not mesh with my reading of the facts as presently available at all.

> However, it's not the only cause: a large component of what we're seeing is that Trump coming to power has emboldened the worst of the Right [1].

That we can agree on, and this is in large part due to the use of various 'dog whistles'.

And frankly, I have a hard time coming to terms with people self describing as 'moderates' who voted for Trump, that is some kind of cognitive dissonance. Trump is about as far away from moderate as it gets.

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Post by makomk » Tue, Aug 15, 2017, 2:18 PM UTC

justin66 wrote: post #131

nmbr213 wrote: post #90

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> Nazis, KKK, and white supremacists terrorized a town They had a permit to hold that meeting. They could've showed off their bigotry peacefully, but police pushed them where Antifa counter-protested so both sides started to shout at each other which turned into a fight. It happened that way in Berkeley. Now it happened in Charlottetown. And it's going to happen again unless police starts doing it's job and protect p…

> When a muslim plows into a crowd it's a lone wolf and we should jump to conclusions. But now that it was a white guy the second it happened the media reached the consensus that it was an act of terrorism. This kind of double standard is what fuels white supremacists. The "lone wolf" moniker has something to do with the proximity to and coordination with other wolves. When a white supremacist commits homicide at a w…

The guy wasn't at the rally at the time, if I recall correctly it may have even been called off hours earlier, and no evidence of coordination has been discovered. On the other hand most or all of the recent Islamic terrorist attacks have been centrally coordinated down to the last detail, with the attackers in communication with their handlers right up until the attacks - including car attackers like Khalid Masood. Your justification just doesn't stand up.

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Post by mantas » Tue, Aug 15, 2017, 2:19 PM UTC

croon wrote: post #67

mantas wrote: post #43

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Looking from across the pond, the left seem to have went full bananas. The identity politics and pushing "undocumented" migrants angle would be quite extreme in most of Europe. BLM look ridiculous too. While the right seem to be business as usual. Much more right than Euro right, but that's it.

> The identity politics and pushing "undocumented" migrants angle Could you elaborate on this "going bananas"? > While the right seem to be business as usual. * Pushing through Gorsuch using nuclear option * Trying to deprive 10s of millions of people of healthcare multiple times without even publicly showing the proposed bill(s) * Banning cameras and reporters from briefings * Electing a GOP congressman one DAY AFTE…

> > The identity politics and pushing "undocumented" migrants angle > Could you elaborate on this "going bananas"?

In most of Europe a major party advocating for legalising illegal migrants or opening borders doesn't stand a chance. This is why migrants vs refugees discussion is huge in Europe. People are OK to help refugees but most people don't want unlimited uneducated immigrants. The difference is what people see as refugees. In Western Europe, only extreme left (= greens and communists) advocate for open borders or legalising illegals. In Eastern Europe, such discussion is completely off the table.

> * Trying to deprive 10s of millions of people of healthcare multiple times without even publicly showing the proposed bill(s)

US healthcare look 100% fucked up. Be it Obamacare or post or pre that. I don't see how GOP stance changed on this. They always were fucked up in this regard, they still are. Thus business as usual.

> * Banning cameras and reporters from briefings > * Electing a GOP congressman one DAY AFTER assaulting a reporter, on live tape. > * The president contradicting generals and trying to incite wars over twitter, and the GOP majority congress and senate letting it slide. Time after time, after time.

I was talking about overall left vs right tendencies, not about single politicians. GOP was weird a decade ago, it still is now. Democrats went full retard IMO. I can't see what was going on their minds to push HRC. She's probably the only person that could have lost to Trump and, well, she did! I'd love to see Trump vs. Sanders election in parallel universe. IMO he'd have better chance. It was pretty clear that public wants "non-establishment" candidate. HRC is as establishment as it gets. Sanders is less establishment than Trump with his business history.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by jacquesm » Tue, Aug 15, 2017, 2:20 PM UTC

humanrebar wrote: post #193

zimpenfish wrote: post #171

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> Ok, I thought it was rather very visible earlier on, such as before he even decided to run for president. Being sued for racial discrimination in 1973 was a pretty big clue. But the birther nonsense should really have tipped everyone off about what was going on.

Good point. I knew he was unqualified well before. I forgot about the birth nonsense when I wrote that lost. I guess I upgraded him from fool to dangerous fool.

Now you're going to have to figure out how to position BLM versus the Neo Nazis.

For me the one is a response to structural unequal treatment by law enforcement, the other is the vilest element in society seeking a platform and a way to spread their hateful ideology.