This was fun. It's our intern's last day on the ML infra team here. And he happens to be a competitive collegiate DOTA player. We were all crowded around watching the screen, shouting. Couldn't have planned a better send off. Nice job, OpenAI!
OpenAI at the Dota 2 World Championships
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Re: OpenAI at the Dota 2 World Championships
#22Very impressive, even if there are some limitations. I look forward to more progress for a team of bots.
Re: OpenAI at the Dota 2 World Championships
#23Wow, that was not even close either. And it only takes it two weeks to reach that level of play? OpenAI should create a team of five (as they said they would) and let it play in the qualifiers next year.
5v5 is much more complex than 1v1 gameplay, it's not as simple as taking the current AI and making 5 of it.
I'm not arguing that, just that it would be cool. The creators mentioned on stage that next year it would be a team of five bots. They also said it took the bot two weeks to reach the level it was at right now, so I'm curious to see how/if it'll evolve in the future.
Re: OpenAI at the Dota 2 World Championships
#24Wow, that was not even close either. And it only takes it two weeks to reach that level of play? OpenAI should create a team of five (as they said they would) and let it play in the qualifiers next year.
5v5 is much more complex than 1v1 gameplay, it's not as simple as taking the current AI and making 5 of it.
I don't want to be "that guy", but I used to play a lot of LOL, and I feel like 5v5 is in a different ballpark in terms of difficulty than a 1v1. Even champion select is strategically intensive. TSM (one of the best US teams), lost to an amateur team because they got out done in team selection.
Re: OpenAI at the Dota 2 World Championships
#25Wow, that was not even close either. And it only takes it two weeks to reach that level of play? OpenAI should create a team of five (as they said they would) and let it play in the qualifiers next year.
To be fair, the 1v1 Shadow Fiend matchup with these rules is A LOT about exact distances and timings. To which the bot has direct API access and the human has to got the whole GPU -> screen -> eyes -> brain -> muscles -> mouse -> CPU cycle.
Agreed, bot will always be good at spell casting, last hitting, which actually is a major factor in winning(the sooner you get higher level you can zone the other player).
Re: OpenAI at the Dota 2 World Championships
#26MEH. I am not impressed. Restricting the number of parameters and variables in order to produce a bot that can do 1 sub-set of tasks really well is nothing special imo.
Complexity and simulations of what you have not yet encountered is something humans can do with ease. This is not something a bot can do in a complex environment like DOTA.
I'll be the first to admit that I was wrong and that AI is truly a thing once I see a bot like this one beat a pro-team in a 5v5. Until then, meh...
Re: OpenAI at the Dota 2 World Championships
#27How do things like reaction time, and actions per second work with something like this? Is it just an assumed advantage the ai gets, or does it simulate the limitations of a human? If it doesn't, how big of an advantage is it in an ai versus human competition?
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#28To be clear 1v1 mid lane is harder than 1 unit v 1 unit in sc. But it is at least 3 levels behind 5v5 human play. So first it's laining, which is showing in the game. Then is the ganking basically 2-3 player working together. Above that that's 5 men team fight. Then you have the strategy planning in the band pick phase, and in game movement coordination. There are other things like item choices, in game communication…
How does having a bot succeed cause appeal to be lost?
First you're suggesting that the strategy will be "found" and never beaten (no room for improvement, not even in hero selection).
Secondly.. Chess & Go have been around for thousands of years and they still are played en masse daily.
Re: OpenAI at the Dota 2 World Championships
#29It was streaming and it's over, so here's the VOD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ac1getNs2P8
Re: OpenAI at the Dota 2 World Championships
#30When will the match happen or did it already happen? I did not find any vods.
OK it's happening right now, I saw machine the host's announcement
Weird website... No indication that a match is happening/happened/ or going to happen or with times or not.
I guess I missed it and the stream link is now just a general link to the TI stream, which confused me for a bit.