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A note on programmer salaries

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Re: A note on programmer salaries

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Post by komali2 »

Sholmesy wrote: post #129
ohthehugemanate wrote: post #119

I am continually surprised that _anyone_ in tech signs employment contracts in Europe. If you're good, and know how to work well remotely, contract work at 130-150€/hr is plentiful. Working 32 (billable) hrs/wk with 6 weeks vacation - more or less what you'd do as an Employee - that's an income between 190-220k. But every employment contract I've heard of here (France and Germany) maxes out at 90-100k for even direct…

Hey there, Londoner here feeling quite constrained with salaries, curious where you find 130-150/hr remote gigs. Mostly through a personal network? Or a recruiter? Really curious.

On LinkedIn, set your region filter to bay area, look for remote.

Try using stack overflows job search tools, set to remote.

Try angel.co, be upfront about wanting remote.

Re: A note on programmer salaries

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Post by brepl »

chrisco255 wrote: post #88
taeric wrote: post #25

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While this is a simplistic view that might help you feel good about taking advantage of someone, it is ridiculously easily abused. And, quite frankly, scares me if I think about it for too long. I don't want a society where there are people left behind simply because they did not make a job out of making more money. Nor do I want a society where services performed by folks leads to a massive wealth imbalance in workf…

No different than shopping for a car and buying the first one you see. You HAVE to shop around for your career. Holy crap, it's the biggest investment of your life. If you don't care, it's nobody's job to care for you, and it shouldn't be. ALWAYS shop around or don't complain when you find out you're being paid below market.

Is this necessarily a bad strategy? How much extra time investment in understanding the auto market and checking various different options is required to guarantee you'll make a better choice?

Then compare the cost saving, and time spent on the above, to the marginal cost of your free time. Have you saved anything?

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Post by Bootvis »

TheArcane wrote: post #171
Bootvis wrote: post #156

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Going on only those credentials you should be able to get a better paid job, also in the Netherlands (I'm Dutch).

What would good salaries be for an experienced resarch engineer in software doing specialized work in the Netherlands?

It depends but my ballpark estimate would be around 70k but it depends on many factors. I'd surprised if those skills go for less than 50k.

Re: A note on programmer salaries

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Post by zerr »

Swinx43 wrote: post #185
zerr wrote: post #176

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I'm talking more about Ilford, Barking, Wembley, etc...

Sorry but those are definitely not what counts as nice areas in London. I also doubt you would find something for £600 in some of those areas today.

It's not posh, but definitely nice, quiet and family-friendly I think. And the air seemed fresher compared to the city. Probably the rent will be bit higher, but the mortgage was ~600 (several months ago) for a nice two-bedroom apartment.

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Post by mamon »

taway_1212 wrote: post #101
cjhanks wrote: post #42

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Those type of salaries only really exist in San Francisco bay. The marketplace is actually pretty competitive for such well paying jobs. But keep in mind - $100k SFBay is approximately $65k for most of the rest of the country. The US Dollar holds significantly different value in different parts of the country.

Not really, since, if you take a mortgage to buy a house in SF/SV, you may have as much discretionary income left as someone in say, Alabama, BUT you're slowly building a $1m+ asset (that you'll be able to sell once the mortgage is paid). So, $100k is only comparable to $65k in most of the rest of the country when you're renting.

Unless we have another housing bubble burst and your 1 million $ asset falls down to 400k

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Post by [deleted] »

taeric wrote: post #182
chrisco255 wrote: post #88

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No different than shopping for a car and buying the first one you see. You HAVE to shop around for your career. Holy crap, it's the biggest investment of your life. If you don't care, it's nobody's job to care for you, and it shouldn't be. ALWAYS shop around or don't complain when you find out you're being paid below market.

My main problem with this is it is victim blaming, at large. And again, leads to situations such as women and minority pay being significantly lower for no good reason. At an individual level, it is good actionable advice. At a societal level, it really is just victim blaming. And it is hard to day where the line is between those views.

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Post by neoberg »

21 wrote: post #175
neoberg wrote: post #174

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Come to Sofia. No, I'm serious. Of course Bulgaria is not the best country in Europe but it's pretty great for software devs. Salaries for Sr. Devs are around 3000-3500 euro band -which is more than the president here- and cost of living is the half of the Berlin. Also, the city has a vibrant software scene.

Is criminality under control now? Some years ago I remember stories about assasinations, guns & stuff.

Yes it is safer now. (I’m also an expat btw.)

Re: A note on programmer salaries

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Post by neoberg »

expertentipp wrote: post #190
neoberg wrote: post #174

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Come to Sofia. No, I'm serious. Of course Bulgaria is not the best country in Europe but it's pretty great for software devs. Salaries for Sr. Devs are around 3000-3500 euro band -which is more than the president here- and cost of living is the half of the Berlin. Also, the city has a vibrant software scene.

Once, while living in Germany, I applied for a position in an outsourcing center of a major American IT company in Sofia. The Bulgarian HR lady repeatedly, explicitly and implicitly asked "are you sure you know what you are doing?!". Bulgaria is tough stuff mate.

I wouldn’t say it’s tough but yeah it’s not for everyone.

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Post by subrat_rout »

Bahamut wrote: post #56
spraak wrote: post #3

Taking advice from the article to share about salary: I have 2.5 years of software development experience but no formal education. I am paid 65k/yr but as a remote contractor, so I pay my own taxes and healthcare, which effectively makes my salary about 57k/yr. I'm considering looking for a new position. What is a reasonable salary to ask for? Edit: I live in California and prefer to continue working remotely

I think it really depends on what is the quality of your experience (work and out of work), and where are you located. To give some comparison, I started at $51k in DC. Stayed at that job for 10 months before I got poached by a startup that offered me $75k. Stayed at that job for 9 months before I got poached by a startup in the Bay Area & relocated to the Valley. I worked at that job for $110k for 3 months before sw…

Looking at your comments I believe you have a great front-end experience. As a self taught programmer I am curious to know what are the materials/courses that helped you to get off the ground or any other resources that helped you bossting your career. Thank you in advance.

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Post by ARCarr »

anotheryou wrote: post #139
1throwaway123 wrote: post #54

Salary progression for me First job (India) 2006 - ~$4,000 per year Second Job (India) 2008 - ~$10,000 per year Third job (US) 2010 - $105k Fourth Job (US) 2012 - >$150K Things have gone well since then too. The main thing that has kept things going up so far is really practicing before interviews to try and get better and never shying from looking for better opportunities. The company and I have a transactional rela…

how long did you stay at each job?

It has the dates right there...2 years each is looks like.
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