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Re: A note on programmer salaries

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Post by piva00 »

zerr wrote: post #135
kayoone wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes Berlin, i make close to 70k which is decent here for senior devs without management responsibility i guess and that amounts to ~3300 after taxes, health insurance etc. I could save more by getting a private health insurance, but that has its downsides too. The main reason why this works is that Berlin is still really cheap compared to London but even compared to Hamburg or Munich. Rents are getting up though, sti…

The bad thing in Berlin is that 60-70K is really a ceiling, if you want to stay in non-managerial engineering, and that amount is not something unrealistic for engineers living in cheaper parts of the world working remotely, so there is not much incentive to move to Berlin. Btw, why do you find London much expensive? I mean, you can rent (or mortgage) a decent apartment in the nice district for ~600 GBP per month. An…

Where did you get the figure of 600 GBP to rent something decent (decent apartment + commute time) in London?

Had two friends living and working there, both left because they were spending 1000+ GBP to share houses or flats (both are married) with some other couples or people just so they could keep their commute under 30-40 minutes.

Scandinavian countries and the Netherlands also speak very good English and it's a quite nice experience to have the chance to learn a new language.

Re: A note on programmer salaries

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Post by dood »

chuckit2 wrote: post #134
seedle12 wrote: post #70

I'm an Android dev w/ Angular 2 and web app dev skills in . the UK.. I'm not even remotely scratching the surface of what engineers are being paid in the US. I'm making the transition to contracting.. working 12 - 14 hours permanently for peanuts is ridiculous.

(Throw-away account) I have similar skills working in London for a "major search engine" (you've used it within the past 90 seconds I bet) - I guess I am one level below being considered "senior". £65K basic, about £15-20K annual bonus and roughly $40K in stock grants a year, so works out at about £100K a year when all is said and done (or about $130K) before taxes. Not sure how that compares to your pay, but I know…

> people will just not understand why I quit "major search engine"

Don't know how you got this idea. No-one will care.

Re: A note on programmer salaries

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Post by dood »

Sholmesy wrote: post #129
ohthehugemanate wrote: post #119

I am continually surprised that _anyone_ in tech signs employment contracts in Europe. If you're good, and know how to work well remotely, contract work at 130-150€/hr is plentiful. Working 32 (billable) hrs/wk with 6 weeks vacation - more or less what you'd do as an Employee - that's an income between 190-220k. But every employment contract I've heard of here (France and Germany) maxes out at 90-100k for even direct…

Hey there, Londoner here feeling quite constrained with salaries, curious where you find 130-150/hr remote gigs. Mostly through a personal network? Or a recruiter? Really curious.

There are always extraordinary claims like this in big threads about salaries, but they never seem to be backed up.

My guess is it is mostly unusual situations which can't be easily explained or replicated.

Re: A note on programmer salaries

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Post by kutkloon7 »

Salaries in the US seem really high compared to those in the Netherlands. I have 2 bachelor and 2 master degrees in STEM. I made €10/hour (about $12) giving private math and programming lessons, while I earn roughly €13/hour (about $15) at my entry level job (after tax deduction).

I would expect my salary to grow at my current job. I also feel that I would have been hired at my current job if I just had my bachelor degree.

Re: A note on programmer salaries

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Post by Bootvis »

kutkloon7 wrote: post #155

Salaries in the US seem really high compared to those in the Netherlands. I have 2 bachelor and 2 master degrees in STEM. I made €10/hour (about $12) giving private math and programming lessons, while I earn roughly €13/hour (about $15) at my entry level job (after tax deduction). I would expect my salary to grow at my current job. I also feel that I would have been hired at my current job if I just had my bachelor d…

Going on only those credentials you should be able to get a better paid job, also in the Netherlands (I'm Dutch).

Re: A note on programmer salaries

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Post by alex_dax »

My salary progression:

First job, Ukraine C# Developer 6000$/year

Second job, Ukraine C#/Java Developer 7200$/year

Third job, Poland, Dynamics AX Developer 7200$/year, got raise to 13000$/year

And now I'm moving to Germany as a Junior Dynamics AX Developer for 40 000$ + bonuses

Re: A note on programmer salaries

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Post by chuckit2 »

dood wrote: post #153
chuckit2 wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(Throw-away account) I have similar skills working in London for a "major search engine" (you've used it within the past 90 seconds I bet) - I guess I am one level below being considered "senior". £65K basic, about £15-20K annual bonus and roughly $40K in stock grants a year, so works out at about £100K a year when all is said and done (or about $130K) before taxes. Not sure how that compares to your pay, but I know…

> people will just not understand why I quit "major search engine" Don't know how you got this idea. No-one will care.

You may be right.

My fear is that people would assume I was sacked/forced-out for being crap though, since there is such a mystique around the company and people dream of getting a job there. Perhaps in a few more years things will tarnish a bit more.

Re: A note on programmer salaries

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Post by kutkloon7 »

Bootvis wrote: post #156
kutkloon7 wrote: post #155

Salaries in the US seem really high compared to those in the Netherlands. I have 2 bachelor and 2 master degrees in STEM. I made €10/hour (about $12) giving private math and programming lessons, while I earn roughly €13/hour (about $15) at my entry level job (after tax deduction). I would expect my salary to grow at my current job. I also feel that I would have been hired at my current job if I just had my bachelor d…

Going on only those credentials you should be able to get a better paid job, also in the Netherlands (I'm Dutch).

Actually, all offers for entry level programming, devops, or IT consultant jobs were 2.5k at 40 hours/week. I have the feeling that a lot of them just hire anyone who graduated in a STEM field, either graduate or undergraduate.

Now, I can probably make a more as a financial consultant, but I don't have an interest in this (and the thread is about programmer salaries).

Re: A note on programmer salaries

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Post by ajdlinux »

majewsky wrote: post #149
ajdlinux wrote: post #77

I'm a junior developer in a megacorp, where I sometimes think about how I'm not getting the salary I could be getting if I moved to SF, negotiated a bit harder, pushed for quicker promotions... But I'm not the lowest paid person in the office. Even the junior devs who started well after I did and haven't had as many raises aren't the lowest paid in the office. I'm fairly sure the lowest paid people in the office are…

> how they're going to negotiate their way up to being in the global 0.5% Reality check: Most of us are already in the top 0.5% of the global income distribution, even with a relatively meager salary like 30k or 40k. You can check for yourself at http://www.globalrichlist.com/

Yeah, I didn't check before I made up that number - I've seen that site before, and apparently I'm already in the top 0.4%.

Maybe add another zero in there...

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