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uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions

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Re: uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions

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Post by djsumdog »

nvarsj wrote: post #34
ohthehugemanate wrote: post #14

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57 is lightning fast. Like, almost uncomfortably so on my machine. Broay this is because quantum is much further along in nightly than on the other channels. Specifically, they're more aggressive with multithreaded settings, multiprocess is enabled, and the quantum css component is turned on, too. Is also helps that we compare to chrome. On Linux chrome doesn't even do GPU rendering. So the HN crowd probably has a di…

Firefox has always been unbearably slow on Linux for me. It's the main reason I swapped to Chrome in the first place. I tried switching back to Firefox about 6 months ago, same problem of extremely slow and laggy UI. Interesting to hear 57 is faster now, it may be worth trying again.

Same here, it's why I switched to Vivaldi. I had to restart Firefox every day or so and it still lagged. I've read the other recent post on here that shows 100+ tabs has almost no startup burden in FF57 compared to previous builds. I should try it again.

Re: uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions

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Post by Hasknewbie »

Slightly OT: is that what a 'Discourse' page looks like? It's pretty awful: it will automatically update the URL as you scroll past each post in any direction, while breaking the Back button, so good luck getting back to the original post, since neither clicking on Back nor reloading the page will get you there. Basic UX failure.

Re: uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions

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Post by [deleted] »

djsumdog wrote: post #41
i2shar wrote: post #32

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It is indeed disturbing. Why should a web page be able to detect if dev tools has been opened? Isn't this a browser security issue?

It's pretty insane how much your browser knows about you: http://webkay.robinlinus.com/ There's another one I can't find, but it writes out things like "user moved mouse to x,y. User has been idle for 10 seconds, page lost focus, page gained focus" .. kinda creepy how much is available to the Javascript engine.

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Re: uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions

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Post by weaksauce »

syshum wrote: post #43
zeep wrote: post #39

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Do you have one example of such extension that won't work with web extensions?

TreeStyleTabs

https://github.com/piroor/treestyletab/issues/1224

Seems they have all the APIs needed for it at the very least approved. It's not like Mozilla just said screw everyone... Let's become chrome. They are putting in the effort to make web extensions viable for even the more advanced uses.

Re: uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions

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Post by spiznnx »

sp332 wrote: post #50
NewEntryHN wrote: post #28

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I think as an extension developer he is particularly sensitive to the tech behind Firefox, which makes him understand some of Mozilla's decisions. For example, the move from legacy add-ons to WebExtensions is surely one less maintenance burden for Mozilla. As a user who doesn't think about such issues, it terribly looks like it's becoming a Chrome clone. I think it's Mozilla's responsibility to have a clearer communi…

But as a user, you're probably just going to want to know if there is an extension that does what you need. Are you worried about the underlying APIs if you're not a developer?

I care about the direction of the project.

Re: uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions

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Post by Karunamon »

Paul-ish wrote: post #33
NewEntryHN wrote: post #28

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I think as an extension developer he is particularly sensitive to the tech behind Firefox, which makes him understand some of Mozilla's decisions. For example, the move from legacy add-ons to WebExtensions is surely one less maintenance burden for Mozilla. As a user who doesn't think about such issues, it terribly looks like it's becoming a Chrome clone. I think it's Mozilla's responsibility to have a clearer communi…

Also, the move to WebExtensions is a move to a more secure extension model. Traditional XUL extensions were comparable to the extension developer compiling their own code into the browser. Yikes. WebExtensions should be better sandboxed and have better permissions management. You can't get those security benefits if you allow older XUL extensions to stick around. You have to sunset XUL extension at some point.

To be perfectly honest I'm not at all interested in "better permissions" for plugins when it comes with the removal of flexibility that you get for free. If I've got plugin-installing malware on my system, I've got worse problems than a rogue plugin.

Give me more useful over more secure any day of the week.

Re: uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions

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Post by sp332 »

spiznnx wrote: post #55
sp332 wrote: post #50

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But as a user, you're probably just going to want to know if there is an extension that does what you need. Are you worried about the underlying APIs if you're not a developer?

I care about the direction of the project.

Something like the Mozilla Hacks blog https://hacks.mozilla.org/2017/08/firefox-55-supports-webvr/ or the Add-ons Blog https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2017/08/03/extension-example... or just the main Mozilla blog? https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2017/07/20/firefox-focus-andro...

Re: uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions

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Post by syshum »

kibwen wrote: post #49
syshum wrote: post #43

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TreeStyleTabs

I've seen people recommend this as a WebExtension-compatible replacement for TreeStyle Tabs, though I can't vouch for it myself: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-tabs/

It is no where near the same and has the same failing of the Chrome Vertical Tab Solutions like

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chrome-side-tabs/h...

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/vtabs/okpnlgbgcfch...

It is not part of the UI part of the browser like the XUL TreeStyleTabs but a separate Panel that ends up being buggy and feeling separate from the experience almost like managing your tabs from a separate window

Re: uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions

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Post by overcast »

kibwen wrote: post #47
overcast wrote: post #19

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How has the nightly been for you in terms of stability? Been thinking of switching to it from beta. The memory issues on MacOS are killing me, and I believe there are fixes in nightly now.

IME, desktop nightly hasn't ever outright crashed (less lucky with mobile nightly). Sometimes I notice minor rendering glitches on various sites, but I also have Servo's CSS engine enabled which might be doing it (it's not yet the default).

Yeh it doesn't crash for me, it just chews up memory until it's unusable. SO far so go though. We'll see how it last through the night.
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