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uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions

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Re: uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions

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Post by djsumdog »

i2shar wrote: post #32
yborg wrote: post #9

I found this disturbing: "Chromium-based browsers are being “infested” by Instart Logic tech which works around blockers and worst, around browser privacy settings (they may start “infecting” Firefox eventually, but that is not happening now)." From his linked post: "Instart Logic will detect when the developer console opens, and cleanup everything then to hide what it does" Is this implemented via a CDN-delivered sc…

It is indeed disturbing. Why should a web page be able to detect if dev tools has been opened? Isn't this a browser security issue?

It's pretty insane how much your browser knows about you:

http://webkay.robinlinus.com/

There's another one I can't find, but it writes out things like "user moved mouse to x,y. User has been idle for 10 seconds, page lost focus, page gained focus" .. kinda creepy how much is available to the Javascript engine.

Re: uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions

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Post by syshum »

zeep wrote: post #39
syshum wrote: post #38

Web/browser Extensions is a terrible standard is it EXTREMELY limiting for power users. While that my not impact a ad blocker, there are countless extensions that can not work with Web Extensions and will make Chrome err sorry Firefox far less appealing to people. For me, more than a few of the extensions I use regularly are not compatible with Web Extensions, and a few of them that are critical to my productivity ar…

Do you have one example of such extension that won't work with web extensions?

TreeStyleTabs

Re: uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions

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Post by jwilk »

zeep wrote: post #39
syshum wrote: post #38

Web/browser Extensions is a terrible standard is it EXTREMELY limiting for power users. While that my not impact a ad blocker, there are countless extensions that can not work with Web Extensions and will make Chrome err sorry Firefox far less appealing to people. For me, more than a few of the extensions I use regularly are not compatible with Web Extensions, and a few of them that are critical to my productivity ar…

Do you have one example of such extension that won't work with web extensions?

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/y-u-no-valida...

Re: uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions

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Post by mnarayan01 »

> It baffles me that some people thinks Firefox is becoming a “Chrome clone”, it’s just not the case, it’s just plain silly to make such statement.

If you use a much narrower definition of "clone" than is typically used in this context, then sure. If, however, you use "clone" a bit more flexibly, and note the word "becoming", then it's a different story. That's not to say that Firefox won't be better than Chrome, and it's certainly not to say that it won't have any advantages over Chrome, but it is giving up some of its major current advantages.

Re: uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions

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Post by abandonliberty »

ehaughee wrote: post #29
yborg wrote: post #9

I found this disturbing: "Chromium-based browsers are being “infested” by Instart Logic tech which works around blockers and worst, around browser privacy settings (they may start “infecting” Firefox eventually, but that is not happening now)." From his linked post: "Instart Logic will detect when the developer console opens, and cleanup everything then to hide what it does" Is this implemented via a CDN-delivered sc…

This actually made me try switching to Firefox again. There's some minor things missing, but for the most part all the features I want are there.

Firefox is maybe 80% of the way there. Just like in the IE Anitrust days, firefox suffers from sites that do not design with it in mind.

Still better than Google Creep. Change to a search engine that protects privacy too.

Re: uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions

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Post by kibwen »

overcast wrote: post #19
zozos wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I moved to firefox once 57 was released on nightly. Firefox is finally usable (in terms of speed) again and I can use it for day to day tasks.

How has the nightly been for you in terms of stability? Been thinking of switching to it from beta. The memory issues on MacOS are killing me, and I believe there are fixes in nightly now.

IME, desktop nightly hasn't ever outright crashed (less lucky with mobile nightly). Sometimes I notice minor rendering glitches on various sites, but I also have Servo's CSS engine enabled which might be doing it (it's not yet the default).

Re: uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions

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Post by djsumdog »

zozos wrote: post #3
penpapersw wrote: post #2

Huh. These actually sound like good arguments to switch to Firefox, arguments I've never heard before until now.

I moved to firefox once 57 was released on nightly. Firefox is finally usable (in terms of speed) again and I can use it for day to day tasks.

I may have to try Firefox again once 57 is in portage. A few months back I switched to Vivaldi, begrudgingly. I really liked Firefox, but the speed issues were becoming unbearable.

Vivaldi has been a lot faster and mostly an alright experience, and I've watched many of the issues I've found for it get addresses in recent builds. Still there are many things I miss about Firefox, not to mention supporting that community and the browser I've used for well over a decade (including back when it was Phoenix, the original Mozilla and the old Netscape 6 that proceeded them).

Re: uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions

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Post by kibwen »

syshum wrote: post #43
zeep wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have one example of such extension that won't work with web extensions?

TreeStyleTabs

I've seen people recommend this as a WebExtension-compatible replacement for TreeStyle Tabs, though I can't vouch for it myself: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-tabs/

Re: uBlock Origin Maintainer on Chrome vs. Firefox WebExtensions

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Post by sp332 »

NewEntryHN wrote: post #28
AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #6

> It baffles me that some people thinks Firefox is becoming a “Chrome clone”, it’s just not the case, it’s just plain silly to make such statement. That's probably the single most reassuring statement about Firefox that I've heard in some time, coming from a serious dev who makes a popular cross-platform addon for both Firefox and Chrome.

I think as an extension developer he is particularly sensitive to the tech behind Firefox, which makes him understand some of Mozilla's decisions. For example, the move from legacy add-ons to WebExtensions is surely one less maintenance burden for Mozilla. As a user who doesn't think about such issues, it terribly looks like it's becoming a Chrome clone. I think it's Mozilla's responsibility to have a clearer communi…

But as a user, you're probably just going to want to know if there is an extension that does what you need. Are you worried about the underlying APIs if you're not a developer?
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