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Why GitHub Can't Host the Linux Kernel Community

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Re: Why GitHub Can't Host the Linux Kernel Community

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This font gave me a headache Why not write with white on white? It would be so stylish

If things like this bother you, you should check out the chrome extension 'Dom Distiller'[0]. I saw it in another HN comment last week and it's already one of my favorite plugins!

It drops all of the non-article content on most sites and leaves you with a centered, decent width, blank-and-white version of the article that's almost always easier to read than the original.

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Re: Why GitHub Can't Host the Linux Kernel Community

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Your browser has a 'Page style/No Style' option to take care of stuff like that.

Not that easy on mobile. Would be much better if people didn't feel the need to make their sites crappy

Firefox has Reader View. That works well on mobile.

Re: Why GitHub Can't Host the Linux Kernel Community

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I imagine after the Bitkeeper fiasco, Linus and others are disinclined to become dependent on a proprietary service.

Bitkeeper was proprietary software. git is not. This dependency exists with Github only if you use issues, wiki, etc. But even those are exportable with documented APIs.

Re: Why GitHub Can't Host the Linux Kernel Community

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I imagine after the Bitkeeper fiasco, Linus and others are disinclined to become dependent on a proprietary service.

It should be a complete non-starter for one of the largest, and most important free software projects to be hosted on a centralized, proprietary service like Github. I can't even consider it as a serious suggestion.

Re: Why GitHub Can't Host the Linux Kernel Community

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Progress relies strongly on unreasonable people like Linus. Keep in mind that Github mutilated his baby so that's a pretty good reason to be upset.

Progress relies strongly on people working together toward a common goal. If being "unreasonable" works for Linux, that's fine. But before others go trying to blindly emulate Linus, I'd suggest attempting to be reasonable first.

No, progress often relies on both those things-- people working reasonably together on ideas brought forward by people who might be deemed "unreasonable."

Re: Why GitHub Can't Host the Linux Kernel Community

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Progress relies strongly on people working together toward a common goal. If being "unreasonable" works for Linux, that's fine. But before others go trying to blindly emulate Linus, I'd suggest attempting to be reasonable first.

What people really don't seem to get is that Linus' cultural background is Finnish, and that Finns tend to be extremely outspoken and that they couldn't lie or polish their words if their life depended on it. http://www.karelia.fi/welcomingguide/the-finnish-way-of-life What to American sensibilities are grave insults to Linus is most likely just him speaking his mind without any filter in place, the way he was brough…

I'm aware of this, and I can respect differences attributable to different cultural norms. But firstly, I have spoken to a Finnish developer who has said that he also considers Linus more frustrating than average; secondly, acknowledging cultural differences creates a foundation for effective communication, but does not infallibly forgive any and all transgressions (context still matters); and thirdly, most other developers will not have the excuse of being Finnish, and so my suggestion to other developers to consider alternative approaches stands (i.e. blindly emulating Linus as an attempt to lead a software project makes as much sense as blindly emulating Steve Jobs in an attempt to lead a company).

Re: Why GitHub Can't Host the Linux Kernel Community

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I'm curious - where do you think we would be today with the Linux kernel and git if Linus wasn't here?

Running on BSD and Mercurial? Wouldn't have made a lick of difference for most of us.

And yet, so many small and large organizations choose to use Linux and git over BSD and Mercurial, 'despite' Linus' management style.

Re: Why GitHub Can't Host the Linux Kernel Community

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I'm fine with that. Github is 'too large to fail' already, adding the Linux kernel to the pile and forcing the kernel team into Github's workflow are two big negatives. It would be great for Github but bad for everybody else.

Personally I'm a fan (and user) of gitlab since GitHub's recent policies and that GitHub takes forever to implement simple things that all users would love (like free private repos)

Re: Why GitHub Can't Host the Linux Kernel Community

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I'm sure github has done more for git uptake than anyone else involved on the lkml or Linus himself. He should be thanking them for that.

He should only be thanking them for that if git uptake around a mutilated version of his tooling is something that Linus wants. I suspect very strongly that he doesn't want that. In fact, if GitHub were a less popular service he wouldn't need to spend nearly as much time dealing with people who don't RTFM and submit GitHub PRs despite Linus' objections to them.

> In fact, if GitHub were a less popular service he wouldn't need to spend nearly as much time dealing with people who don't RTFM and submit GitHub PRs despite Linus' objections to them.

Does he even bother reading them nowadays?

If anything, I would say that if git were less popular, its developers wouldn't have to deal with constant complaints that their UI scares noobs.

Re: Why GitHub Can't Host the Linux Kernel Community

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Nobody cares how reasonable you are if you don't actually produce anything.

And nobody cares how much you produce if you're too unreasonable to sell them on your creation. Creating strawmen out of maximally-extreme arguments is silly. Unless you think that being reasonable is mutually exclusive with being productive?

I think it's fair to say Linus has already proven his worth.

But even the Linux kernel and git aside, the fact that people listen to him despite his frankness speaks volumes for how respected he is.

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