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Cal State will no longer require math and English placement exams

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Re: Cal State will no longer require math and English placement exams

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Are you insinuating that white people can't be diverse?

They can't be racially diverse if they are white. If you mean educationally diverse, you're just trolling.

So White people are all one race, now?

Germans and Slavs and Scandinavians and Italians are all the same?

When did that happen?

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Translation: Diluting the prestige of the cal stage degree

There hasn't been any prestige for a while. I went to CSUS about 20 years ago. I only went there for my freshman year because I spent more time asleep in class than awake, and still managed a 4.0. It was then I realized it was a joke.

Dropped out, scraped together money, went to a real school on the other side of the country.

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"At Cal State, about 40% of freshmen each year are considered not ready for college-level work and required to take remedial classes that do not count toward their degrees." This is crazy to me. I'm not familiar with Cal State but do they just let anyone in who applies?

A quick Google search tells me the closest Cal State to me, Sacramento, has a 67.3% acceptance rate. Slightly higher than the national average of 64.7%, although I'm not sure how trustworthy those numbers are.

I went to CSUS. I'm very surprised it's that low. Shortly after the one year I went there, they implemented a "fast track" acceptance which basically meant they accepted you as long as you had a high school diploma.

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"At Cal State, about 40% of freshmen each year are considered not ready for college-level work and required to take remedial classes that do not count toward their degrees." This is crazy to me. I'm not familiar with Cal State but do they just let anyone in who applies?

I went to a Cal State university - it was a joke.

Went to CSUS. Indeed it was.

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I went to a Cal State university - it was a joke.

Would be happy to hear more about your experience. In what respect?

* Slept through my year there. Managed a 4.0.

* After I was there, they literally accepted anyone with a high school diploma. They called this "fast track acceptance."

* In the orientation, I, as an anthro major was somehow grouped with about 40 engineers. The guy was discussing the math and English assessment tests. If you had x on your math SATs, you can skip the math test. If you had y in your English SATs, you can skip the English test. He asked how many people can skip the English test. Me and like 5 people raised our hands, which wasn't surprising in a room full of engineers. He asked how many can skip the math test. Maybe 10 more people raised their hands.

Somehow, I, the anthro major had a higher math SAT score than a bunch of people who wanted to build the bridges I drive over.

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They can't be racially diverse if they are white. If you mean educationally diverse, you're just trolling.

So White people are all one race, now? Germans and Slavs and Scandinavians and Italians are all the same? When did that happen?

Yes, it's Caucasian. There is a difference between race and country of origin. I mean wow.

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The hope is that these efforts will also help students obtain their degrees sooner — one of the public university system's priorities. Cal State has committed to doubling its four-year graduation rate, from 19% to 40%, by 2025. The implicit message here seems to be, "let everyone pass through the system regardless of how qualified they actually are, but we'll have to lower the bar to keep grades and graduation rates…

PwC, E&Y and others dropped university requirement because they don't tell anything about people.

This is a downward spiral. Universities get less picky, A inflation, more money for universities but devaluing degrees. Companies catch on and drop the requirement for degrees.

"Our own internal research of over 400 graduates found that screening students based on academic performance alone was too blunt an approach to recruitment. It found no evidence to conclude that previous success in higher education correlated with future success in subsequent professional qualifications undertaken."

http://www.ey.com/uk/en/newsroom/news-releases/15-08-03---ey...

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The Common Core math curriculum is actually quite good and based on solid academic research on how to best teach those concepts to the majority of kids. Most of the parents complaining about it just haven't taken the time to read through their children's textbooks and understand the alternative techniques.

We don't have textbooks, we have worksheets. Worksheets with little or no explanation as to the expectations of how to complete the work. That part was covered in class. I was not in class, I was at work. My children don't always understand the alternative techniques and cannot explain them to me. I cannot assist my children in learning alternative techniques I did not learn. Since we're generalizing, I think that mo…

The information is readily available for free to anyone who bothers to do a little research. Your time would be better spent learning instead of complaining.

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"Graduation requirements have not changed. Students still have to pass the same amount of classes. " This is where you are wrong. Classes such as remedial English or basic mathematics did not used to count for college credit, they now do. Therefore students can graduate with a lower level of performance than was previously possible.

Incorrect; this is not granting credit for existing remedial courses, it is eliminating the existing set of remedial courses, and the testing and other policies aruoud them, and requiring new models (but not dictating one single model for all campuses.) There area number of alternative remediation models that have been used in other institutions without the problems experienced by the current CSU remedial ed program…

You're right that there is some flexibility, but the basic move is to grant credit for remediation [see below]. Whether that means turning the intro courses into multiple semester courses or giving credit for summer prep. The problems with basing placements on high school grades is why they had to create the assessments in the first place. The better solution is the early assessment program, but since California has eliminated the high school graduation exam requirement, it gets harder to see which college bound student needs help in the 11th/12th grade level.

"Freshmen who would usually be directed to developmental English or math will instead enroll in the same general education classes as their peers, but they might receive additional tutoring or take the course at a slower pace, stretched over multiple semesters. A summer program for incoming freshmen who need extra preparation will be redesigned to count for credit." http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert...

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>The implicit message here seems to be, "let everyone pass through the system regardless of how qualified they actually are, but we'll have to lower the bar to keep grades and graduation rates high." No. You are completely missing the point here. Graduation requirements have not changed. Students still have to pass the same amount of classes. What this will do is allow students to have a shot at taking actual credit…

It matters if they have professors that grade on a curve. Take all of those students who wouldn't pass the math entrance exam and put then in the same College Algebra class. They are all terrible students but the curve grading passes 80% of them. > allow students to have a shot at taking actual credit courses rather than being forced into noncredit remedial classes they may not actually need If the placement tests ar…

Why do you believe that having a test administered by the school is the only way to identify students needing remedial help? The school is arguing that they can do a better job of identification by using existing grades and test scores. What's your evidence against this argument?
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