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Cal State will no longer require math and English placement exams

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Re: Cal State will no longer require math and English placement exams

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Are you insinuating white people don't need remedial classes?

Are you insinuating that white people can't be diverse?

They can't be racially diverse if they are white. If you mean educationally diverse, you're just trolling.

Re: Cal State will no longer require math and English placement exams

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California has a three-tier system * University of California - real college * California State University - college lite * Community colleges - advanced high school

Community colleges are simply lower division; they have guaranteed transfer programs to both University systems, and arguably stronger lower-division programs because they have better lower-division faculty-to-student ratios, and a pure teaching focus.

Re: Cal State will no longer require math and English placement exams

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which department? i seem to be missing the implication

Most directly, Ed. But now that you mention it, Justice is a close second.

jeff sessions justice department?

Re: Cal State will no longer require math and English placement exams

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i've seen some pretty shitty grad students but i don't really blame the grad school. a lot of non-cs undergrads go into cs grad programs with barely any programming experience. in my experience, the grad programs don't teach them the fundamentals (assuming they know them) but instead teach very specific niche areas. They end up never learning basic programming fundamentals.

If someone is studying computability or formal languages or algorithms or ML in a CS department, they don't really need to be programmers.

in my opinion they don't need to BE programmers but they need to be ABLE to program.

http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=398

relevant song by scott aaronson

Re: Cal State will no longer require math and English placement exams

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Are you insinuating white people don't need remedial classes?

Of course all kinds of people can land in these remedial classes if they are not prepared. Now, I ask you, which schools do a better job of preparing students for college level work, the schools white kids get to go to or the schools black kids have to go to? If you are wondering, look at the AP classes offered at say Palo Alto high school vs Crenshaw high school: http://schools.latimes.com/school/los-angeles/crensha…

>Now, are you saying we shouldn't let bright kids from bad schools get into college?

Show me where I implied that.

Re: Cal State will no longer require math and English placement exams

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There's just no reason to get a degree from any but a few schools anymore. Employers have already caught on, and this is a move in the wrong direction. If they'll give you a degree for free, fine, but no one should be taking out loans or paying a dime for a school without making sure diplomas from that schools are still worth anything to employers. There are schools where a CS degree from them makes you look worse th…

That's not anywhere close to true.

Re: Cal State will no longer require math and English placement exams

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It's amazing that there's such a thing as remedial classes in a university, but hey, how else are we going to get an adequately diverse student body?

Are you insinuating white people don't need remedial classes?

From a different article about this same subject[1]:

> The policy announcement “aims to address inequities in college readiness head-on in order to close gaps in degree attainment and afford all students the opportunity to succeed,”

When a policy like this is couched in that sort of language, it's pretty obvious that the changes aren't being made because white kids are having trouble graduating.

[1]: https://edsource.org/2017/cal-state-adopts-new-policies-to-h...

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