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Re: Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity

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Post by koonsolo »

gobugat wrote: post #173
habitue wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the "it" you refer to expands to "why women and minorities may be biologically less qualified for this job, and those that are here are illegitimate in some way." Accepting your characterization here for the sake of argument: if his claims are so laughably ridiculous as to be easily refutable, people should just have pointed to studies refuting it (of which there are plenty) and gone about their day. When you can't…

His "theories" have been destroyed for decades. It's always the same old shit. We are tired of it. If you don't even have the decency to document yourself before blurting out such crap, you may not deserve much patience. Remember: this guy lost a job. Discriminations kill and ruin the lives of millions routinely.

According to scientists in the field, his theories are correct.

http://quillette.com/2017/08/07/google-memo-four-scientists-...

If you read the memo, he is completely against discrimination, including positive discrimination.

Re: Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity

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Post by jorgemf »

BertPhoo wrote: post #199
jorgemf wrote: post #136

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I wish there were more people like you. People able to have a better critical reading and don't fall quickly in easy offenses that might not even exists.

"Not bad for a girl"

oh shit I am going to be fired for this? I said people and I mean people, not girls or boys.

Re: Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity

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Post by noncoml »

jorgemf wrote: post #161
noncoml wrote: post #88

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I don't see many references. I just see a lot of stereotyping with no citations at all. Eg: > Women, on average, have more: > ● Openness directed towards feelings and aesthetics rather than ideas. Women generally also have a stronger interest in people rather than things, relative to men (also interpreted as empathizing vs. systemizing) > ● Extraversion expressed as gregariousness rather than assertiveness. Also, hig…

Hey, from the original document (I have added the references for you): - Openness directed towards feelings and aesthetics rather than ideas. Women generally also have a stronger interest in people rather than things [1], relative to men (also interpreted as empathizing vs. systemizing [2]) - Extraversion expressed as gregariousness rather than assertiveness. Also, higher agreeableness. - Neuroticism [3] (higher anxi…

> Now what do you think about it, now you know the real references of the article?

I think that a quick dismissal is not appropriate, that it is the right basis for a discussion and would definitely like to take some time and look at the citations and how they tie up and support the arguments.

Re: Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity

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Post by enimodas »

ebola1717 wrote: post #57
naturalgradient wrote: post #10

What this whole episode really seems to show is how authoritarianism has crept into our lives and how incredibly difficult it is to resist it even amongst highly educated people. I would wager that none of the people calling for this person to be personally ruined, expelled from society, terminated from their job and forever vilified as an outcast would view themselves as authoritarian. Not the Tweeters shaking with…

https://mobile.twitter.com/dril/status/473265809079693312

i don't get it. Can you explain?

Re: Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity

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Post by BertPhoo »

jorgemf wrote: post #202
BertPhoo wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Not bad for a girl"

oh shit I am going to be fired for this? I said people and I mean people, not girls or boys.

Of course you meant people ;)

But it's not like this thread is full of people saying the exact same thing who haven't declared they are women.

Re: Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity

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Post by dvfjsdhgfv »

kafkaesq wrote: post #73
naturalgradient wrote: post #10

What this whole episode really seems to show is how authoritarianism has crept into our lives and how incredibly difficult it is to resist it even amongst highly educated people. I would wager that none of the people calling for this person to be personally ruined, expelled from society, terminated from their job and forever vilified as an outcast would view themselves as authoritarian. Not the Tweeters shaking with…

I would wager that none of the people calling for this person to be personally ruined, expelled from society, terminated from their job and forever vilified as an outcast ... Maybe some people are calling for stuff like that. But that's not what Google's doing to him. Google's just saying: "You can't do that here ."

Can't do what exactly?

The author not only clearly stated this, he even included a picture to make it clear: https://diversitymemo.com/population-overlap.png

Does it really deserve a reaction of "You can't do that here"?

Re: Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity

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Post by MBCook »

WalterSear wrote: post #142
MBCook wrote: post #104

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That matches what I've heard, but we don't know what his behavior was like in the office. I think GP's point is that this may have just been (one hell of a) final straw.

His previous behaviour is as irrelevant as the content of his post: he was given an expectation of safety to express his opinion and that trust was abused by multiple parties.

Is it? If he has a pattern of making statements deemed by HR demeaning to women (or whatever the problem was) as was told "don't keep doing that or else you're fired" this could easily be seen as violating that agreement.

Re: Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity

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Post by kevinburke »

influx wrote: post #67
kevinburke wrote: post #59

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A right to free speech doesn't mean you are also free from any consequences for that speech.. ? The Constitution allows you to say whatever you want but your employer's also free to fire you for saying it. As an example, if you say racist things to a customer, your employer should be able to fire you. I have heard people say he should get fired, but I haven't heard anyone saying he should be "expelled from society" o…

Curious if you feel Colin Kaepernick should have been fired and blacklisted for supporting Black Lives Matter? After all, it was only a consequence of free speech from his employers.

I think the people signing worse quarterbacks than him are pointlessly making their teams worse. I didn't take a position on the Google firing above; I just pointed out that your employer can hold you accountable for things you say without violating your First Amendment rights.

http://review.chicagobooth.edu/magazine/winter-2014/how-gary...

Re: Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity

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Post by dvfjsdhgfv »

macspoofing wrote: post #180
kafkaesq wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would wager that none of the people calling for this person to be personally ruined, expelled from society, terminated from their job and forever vilified as an outcast ... Maybe some people are calling for stuff like that. But that's not what Google's doing to him. Google's just saying: "You can't do that here ."

>But that's not what Google's doing to him. Google's just saying: "You can't do that here." And that's probably OK and kind of expected. To me what was interesting was that even the CEO had to not only denounce it, but also cut his vacation short to hold a staff town-hall.

I find it hard to believe you really read the original piece (https://diversitymemo.com/) and still consider he deserved being fired.
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