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Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity

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Re: Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity

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Post by whytaka »

azinman2 wrote: post #26
fwn wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Such conflicts are not won over peaceful arguments. They are. At least that's how civilised societies would handle it. It could be a textbook example of a decision a civil discourse could approach.

But it’s not civil when you suggest there’s inherently biological reasons for your coworkers to be inferior to you.

That's really not what was said. Surely you are familiar with statistics and distributions over population.

I agree it wasn't a smart thing to say, but I don't think it furthers the discussion to misrepresent it.

Re: Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity

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Post by StanislavPetrov »

azinman2 wrote: post #26
fwn wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Such conflicts are not won over peaceful arguments. They are. At least that's how civilised societies would handle it. It could be a textbook example of a decision a civil discourse could approach.

But it’s not civil when you suggest there’s inherently biological reasons for your coworkers to be inferior to you.

Those who keep misusing the word "inferior" instead of "different" expose themselves for either having not read, or not understood, what was written.

Re: Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity

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Post by chippy »

blfr wrote: post #9

Has he set Google up for this blowup or do Americans just usually have complaints to federal regulators written and ready to send? Before being fired, Mr. Damore said, he had submitted a complaint to the National Labor Relations Board claiming that Google’s upper management was “misrepresenting and shaming me in order to silence my complaints.” He added that it was “illegal to retaliate” against an N.L.R.B. charge. h…

I imagine that there are lawyers who are ready and willing to send something at short notice. Not so much ambulance chasers as SV drama chasers, perhaps!

Re: Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity

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Post by kajecounterhack »

naturalgradient wrote: post #10

What this whole episode really seems to show is how authoritarianism has crept into our lives and how incredibly difficult it is to resist it even amongst highly educated people. I would wager that none of the people calling for this person to be personally ruined, expelled from society, terminated from their job and forever vilified as an outcast would view themselves as authoritarian. Not the Tweeters shaking with…

No, what the whole episode really seems to show is how prejudice that hurts people is viewed as "just words" rather than a tangible / real hurtful thing. You can't curse off your boss. You can't demean people of other genders and races at work. You can't create a hostile workplace environment and expect nothing to happen to you.

You can try to cloak it in a longform "civil" or "facts-based" document but ultimately what this man wrote was sexist lies a.k.a a steaming pile of shit.

FWIW I don't give flat earthers the time of day or try to humor them as being scientific either. You have to go back to arguing the basic laws of kinematics with them. Sexists are one of the same.

Re: Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity

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Post by gobugat »

fwn wrote: post #12
gobugat wrote: post #7

> "Companies don’t have viewpoints." They do. Not reacting would have been an endorsement. Many would want to think that these issues are apolitical, or scientific, or anything "neutral". They are not. Make no mistake. This is a fight. A struggle between two visions of the world, maybe more. Such conflicts are not won over peaceful arguments. Sooner or later, one must take a stand, which is exactly what Google execut…

> Such conflicts are not won over peaceful arguments. They are. At least that's how civilised societies would handle it. It could be a textbook example of a decision a civil discourse could approach.

It is not how the US handled the Civil Rights Movement: MLK was called a terrorist. Neither is it how the apartheid was taken on in South Africa. Or any major social improvement: strikes, demonstrations and struggles were necessary. Playing the passivity card is, at least, dragging down the struggle.

Re: Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity

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Post by dangerlibrary »

canoebuilder wrote: post #15
dangerlibrary wrote: post #2

Is any organization of meaningful size (# of employees, revenue, market cap - pick your metric) handling diversity issues in a way that completely satisfies the "proportional representation of the population" metric? Are there any success stories that one could use as case studies?

"proportional representation of the population" metric? Is there some reason the social disrupters only get all frothy mouthed about this in certain areas? Like shouldn't we spend much more time going after the NBA, Fishing, Logging, Elementary teachers, Nurses, etc. because these industries are far more out of "diversity balance." Are people clamoring for a "proportional representation of the population" metric prep…

Your point is pertinent and well-made in the latter part of your post, but the ad-hominem language in the former makes it difficult to believe you want to discuss the issue.

Re: Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity

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Post by coldtea »

sidlls wrote: post #8

What's more likely: the author was fired for suggesting alternate methods of improving diversity at Google or the author was fired for repeating unsupported gender stereotypes, offering alternate methods that themselves played on gender stereotypes, and creating an environment in which he would not be able to effectively carry out his responsibilities as a result of promoting gender stereotypes?

The author was fired because some issues are considered thought crimes and you have to go with the mainstream opinion.

Re: Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity

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Post by ambulancechaser »

int_19h wrote: post #25
naturalgradient wrote: post #10

What this whole episode really seems to show is how authoritarianism has crept into our lives and how incredibly difficult it is to resist it even amongst highly educated people. I would wager that none of the people calling for this person to be personally ruined, expelled from society, terminated from their job and forever vilified as an outcast would view themselves as authoritarian. Not the Tweeters shaking with…

> Not the Ex-Google guy with his medium rant about how people would punch him in the face and he would understand. Could you give a link to that rant?

> And as for its impact on you: Do you understand that at this point, I could not in good conscience assign anyone to work with you? I certainly couldn’t assign any women to deal with this, a good number of the people you might have to work with may simply punch you in the face, and even if there were a group of like-minded individuals I could put you with, nobody would be able to collaborate with them. You have just created a textbook hostile workplace environment.

https://medium.com/@yonatanzunger/so-about-this-googlers-man...

Re: Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity

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Post by biggerfisch »

blfr wrote: post #9

Has he set Google up for this blowup or do Americans just usually have complaints to federal regulators written and ready to send? Before being fired, Mr. Damore said, he had submitted a complaint to the National Labor Relations Board claiming that Google’s upper management was “misrepresenting and shaming me in order to silence my complaints.” He added that it was “illegal to retaliate” against an N.L.R.B. charge. h…

It doesn't take long to write a complaint, and if he was sharing these views in a smaller circle for some time, he may well already have dealt with "upper management" in some fashion that he deemed worthy of a complaint

Re: Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity

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Post by toomuchtodo »

whytaka wrote: post #29
gobugat wrote: post #7

> "Companies don’t have viewpoints." They do. Not reacting would have been an endorsement. Many would want to think that these issues are apolitical, or scientific, or anything "neutral". They are not. Make no mistake. This is a fight. A struggle between two visions of the world, maybe more. Such conflicts are not won over peaceful arguments. Sooner or later, one must take a stand, which is exactly what Google execut…

> Not reacting would have been an endorsement. Some have said, "Reacting to it would dignify it". Is that an endorsement? > They are not. Are you saying we can't use science to determine whether differences between the sexes exist? > Such conflicts are not won over peaceful arguments. I think that's a bit of an exaggeration. PS. Why is your username green?

Green usernames are new accounts.
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