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Re: Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture

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Post by Neeek »

hyperdunc wrote: post #371
Neeek wrote: post #326

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, assuming Doctors Without Borders is in the people smuggling business now, it is still a seaworthy vessel instead of a makeshift raft, the kind that is responsible for that drowned toddler washing up on European shores which is specifically used as an example of the possible harm that would be in breach of the company's content policy.

One of the reasons North African smugglers put people on makeshift rafts is because they know that NGO vessels will rescue them. The African smugglers and NGOs are in cahoots - effectively making the NGOs smugglers as well.

Does that change the fact without the NGO craft, people aboard the raft are at greater risk of drowning? All of this just sounds like justification for allowing people to drown. I'm sure there are better ways to prevent people smugglers than blockading the part of the operation that prevents human deaths.

Re: Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture

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Post by Neeek »

nostromo123 wrote: post #358
Neeek wrote: post #326

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, assuming Doctors Without Borders is in the people smuggling business now, it is still a seaworthy vessel instead of a makeshift raft, the kind that is responsible for that drowned toddler washing up on European shores which is specifically used as an example of the possible harm that would be in breach of the company's content policy.

Picking up people 20 miles off of Libya's coast and bringing them to Italy instead of to the much (!) closer African shore is not exactly "search & rescue". http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-rescue-ita...

Ignoring your apparent political motivation to keep these people out of Europe (which is not really what is being discussed), the fact still stands that without these ships, human people are at greater risk of drowning. As I stated in an earlier post, there are better ways to stop people smuggling than letting the people being smuggled, drown at sea.

Re: Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture

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Post by WikipediasBad »

hacalox wrote: post #404
WikipediasBad wrote: post #324

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I'm thinking of getting a team of friends to make a Patreon platform but tailor made for software devs/code projects/open source projects rather than creative content. As someone that's on hacker news and has a patreon but isn't for software, do you have any suggestions for someone like me that wanted to develop a patreon focused on software?

Me! It's an idea I've been thinking a lot lately. I have some ideas I would love to discuss if there are more people interestes in doing this.We can get in touch if you want.

Ya the idea itself would be so neat. In fact, a super meta way to do it is to have the campaign to build the platform be the first campaign on the MVP version of the platform itself! What better way to demonstrate your software patronage platform by using it to build said software patronage platform. I truly think a dedicated patreon for coders could really change the entire VC hypergrowth stress cycle that is Silicon Valley and instead usher in a new era.

Re: Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture

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Post by nostromo123 »

Neeek wrote: post #422
nostromo123 wrote: post #358

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Picking up people 20 miles off of Libya's coast and bringing them to Italy instead of to the much (!) closer African shore is not exactly "search & rescue". http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-rescue-ita...

Ignoring your apparent political motivation to keep these people out of Europe (which is not really what is being discussed), the fact still stands that without these ships, human people are at greater risk of drowning. As I stated in an earlier post, there are better ways to stop people smuggling than letting the people being smuggled, drown at sea.

Yes, the better way is to make it clear that trying to illegally enter Europe is useless. If there is no motivation to cross the sea in a rubber dinghy, there will be no drowning people, either.

But this is apparently out of the question, for reasons of "humanity".

Re: Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture

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Post by Neeek »

nostromo123 wrote: post #424
Neeek wrote: post #422

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ignoring your apparent political motivation to keep these people out of Europe (which is not really what is being discussed), the fact still stands that without these ships, human people are at greater risk of drowning. As I stated in an earlier post, there are better ways to stop people smuggling than letting the people being smuggled, drown at sea.

Yes, the better way is to make it clear that trying to illegally enter Europe is useless. If there is no motivation to cross the sea in a rubber dinghy, there will be no drowning people, either. But this is apparently out of the question, for reasons of "humanity".

I'm not disagreeing with you, but we aren't talking about immigration policy here, we are talking about whether or not Patreon's content policy was violated.

Re: Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture

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Post by hyperdunc »

Neeek wrote: post #421
hyperdunc wrote: post #371

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the reasons North African smugglers put people on makeshift rafts is because they know that NGO vessels will rescue them. The African smugglers and NGOs are in cahoots - effectively making the NGOs smugglers as well.

Does that change the fact without the NGO craft, people aboard the raft are at greater risk of drowning? All of this just sounds like justification for allowing people to drown. I'm sure there are better ways to prevent people smugglers than blockading the part of the operation that prevents human deaths.

The NGO boats can rescue the migrants and take them back to Libya instead of to Italy. Why aren't they doing that?

Re: Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture

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Post by fweespeech »

nostrebored wrote: post #300
fweespeech wrote: post #235

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> This is not necessarily true. I believe in the US, fundraising would make you an accessory, just as encouraging someone's criminal action where they have clear intent to commit a crime would be. And now you understand why they booted Lauren Southern. Money is fungible and she fund raised for an activity that was legally dubious.

It's not legally dubious. Fundraising money with an explicitly legal purpose is legal. The potential for misuse at some future date does not an accessory make

> It's not legally dubious. Fundraising money with an explicitly legal purpose is legal. The potential for misuse at some future date does not an accessory make

The purpose with patreon being to fund her "journalistic activities" which included the legally dubious action.

Re: Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture

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Post by hacalox »

WikipediasBad wrote: post #423
hacalox wrote: post #404

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Me! It's an idea I've been thinking a lot lately. I have some ideas I would love to discuss if there are more people interestes in doing this.We can get in touch if you want.

Ya the idea itself would be so neat. In fact, a super meta way to do it is to have the campaign to build the platform be the first campaign on the MVP version of the platform itself! What better way to demonstrate your software patronage platform by using it to build said software patronage platform. I truly think a dedicated patreon for coders could really change the entire VC hypergrowth stress cycle that is Silico…

Absolutely. I thought about creating something similar to humble bundle, where you can pay as much as you want distributed as you want. Or creating a git tracker, a tool that tells you at the end of the month which packages and repos have you used /cloned more so it can distribute your monthly donation budget accordingly. The problem with this approach is that you are not giving any chance to all those people who are developing stuff on their own and you don't even know they exist (this happens constantly if you are using a linux distro). I have many ideas I would be very happy to share. I'm on vacation right now, but I will write you back if you send me an email to my personal email. Check my HN personal description to get my email addresss.

Re: Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture

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Post by nostromo123 »

Neeek wrote: post #425
nostromo123 wrote: post #424

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, the better way is to make it clear that trying to illegally enter Europe is useless. If there is no motivation to cross the sea in a rubber dinghy, there will be no drowning people, either. But this is apparently out of the question, for reasons of "humanity".

I'm not disagreeing with you, but we aren't talking about immigration policy here, we are talking about whether or not Patreon's content policy was violated.

I agree, it was only tangentially related due to the Patreon vs Lauren Southern situation.

Re: Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture

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Post by whit537 »

avian wrote: post #350
WikipediasBad wrote: post #323

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Oh very cool. So coders do use patreon but they are a minority? Maybe that itself is a good startup idea.

Gratipay (formerly GitTip) used to do that. Not sure how they are doing these days. I haven't heard about them in a while. https://gratipay.com

We're still here! Check https://gratipay.news/ for what we've been up to. :-)
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