Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Monsanto leaks suggest it tried to ‘kill’ cancer research about weed killer

baumhedlundlaw.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

41–50 of 131 posts

Re: Monsanto leaks suggest it tried to ‘kill’ cancer research about weed killer

#41

Post by Danihan »

tptacek wrote: post #34
meric wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well there's https://www.cornucopia.org/2017/01/glyphosate-harmful-rats-l... but I suppose fatty liver disease is not as serious as cancer...Wash your vegetables before eating. EDIT: I think it's prudent to wash vegetables to clean off any herbicides and other chemicals even if they are "known" to be harmless.

Note how the press release on this study, from Kings College London, done in 2017, calls it "the first to show a causative link between consumption of Roundup at a real-world environmental dose and a serious disease condition."

Sure, only around 15 years too late.

http://people.csail.mit.edu/seneff/ITX_2013_06_04_Seneff.pdf

Re: Monsanto leaks suggest it tried to ‘kill’ cancer research about weed killer

#42

Post by imcoconut »

wu-ikkyu wrote: post #12
kfriede wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, I think a good portion of those 'shills' were organic (no pun intended). To this day, a lot of the popular "anti-monsanto", "anti-gmo" groups (e.g. David Avocado Wolfe) are pretty nutjob and have a large community of people who dislike them.

>lot of the popular "anti-monsanto", "anti-gmo" groups (e.g. David Avocado Wolfe) are pretty nutjob It's worth noting that having such groups is a commonly used counter intelligence tactic: create a loud and incoherent pseudo-strawman opposition to distract from those who are actually asking legitimate questions. An effective astroturf campaign calls for both pro-x and anti-x shills.

Wow, i never considered this but it makes sense and i imagine is very effective.

Do you know of any well documented cases of this (though by its nature, any case of this is probably not well documented)?

Re: Monsanto leaks suggest it tried to ‘kill’ cancer research about weed killer

#43

Post by colordrops »

tptacek wrote: post #23

I don't know what Monsanto did or didn't do and don't have any particular rooting interest for Monsanto, but I think it's worth noting that the published science for the carcinogenicity of glyphosate (the "weed killer" we're talking about here) is extremely flimsy. Most publicity about "cancer" and "Monsanto" is traceable back to an IARC report that the World Health Organization (IARC's parent) essentially retracted.…

> It would be surprising if glyphosate turned out to be toxic, because it straightforwardly targets a metabolic pathway that plants have and the entire kingdom of Animalia lacks.

Don't be so high and mighty about the science against glyphosate being flimsy, then throw out your own pet theory in support of glyphosate without any scientific studies. It's hypocrisy. Either you only support theories backed by strong scientific evidence or you don't. You can't have it both ways.

Re: Monsanto leaks suggest it tried to ‘kill’ cancer research about weed killer

#44

Post by colordrops »

bpodgursky wrote: post #40
ada1981 wrote: post #9

Who actually likes Monstanto? I imagine a vast majority of the American people would support an outright shutdown of their business.

Luckily we still have the rule of law, so the majority can't simply shut down a company they dislike based on an internet misinformation campaign.

Campaign implies organization. Who do you suppose is working to shut down Monsanto?

Re: Monsanto leaks suggest it tried to ‘kill’ cancer research about weed killer

#45

Post by colordrops »

vbuwivbiu wrote: post #22
themgt wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's been really frustrating trying to have any nuanced stance on GMOs with proponents doing the "durr all modern crops are genetically modified by human selection" and such. Like no shit, it is still possible to acknowledge that and believe that there are legitimate concerns about intellectual property, or with modifying a crop to be resistant to a carcinogenic poison farmers are going to dump all over it. A lot of…

Exactly this. Every thread on GM quickly polarizes into useless for and against sides, when we need to be selective about it. And I've never bought the characterization of breeding/selection as a form of GM. Breeding is selection of a pathetically tiny set of modifications, but GM is on a whole other level. With GM we can write arbitrary binary strings of code into any organism. That's simply not comparable with bree…

yes, it's absurd that they bucket artificial selection and gene transfer into the same category.

Re: Monsanto leaks suggest it tried to ‘kill’ cancer research about weed killer

#46

Post by burntrelish1273 »

bri3d wrote: post #33
tptacek wrote: post #23

I don't know what Monsanto did or didn't do and don't have any particular rooting interest for Monsanto, but I think it's worth noting that the published science for the carcinogenicity of glyphosate (the "weed killer" we're talking about here) is extremely flimsy. Most publicity about "cancer" and "Monsanto" is traceable back to an IARC report that the World Health Organization (IARC's parent) essentially retracted.…

While glyphosate is only questionable, Round Up itself, which includes a variety of surfactants, seems to have a more pronounced effect - both cytotoxic and mutagenic. Many of the later documents in this dump center around formulated Round-Up's unexplained toxicity when compared to the survey of glyphosate studies in the literature, and a variety of understudied surfactants in the formulation. Ex (ignoring sensationa…

There's a video where a Monsanto lobbyist spouts circular talking-points about how glyphosate was safe to drink, offered either Round Up or glyphosate and refused to drink it.

https://youtu.be/QWM_PgnoAtA?t=25s

It's irrelevant if glyphosate alone is cancerous or not, because 99.9999% of deployment is via sprays like Round Up. The combined product, in both animal and human models, need thorough mutagenic research. It's just news shows don't want to give Monsanto free advertising or face libel laws, so they conflate the generic compound with the product.

Re: Monsanto leaks suggest it tried to ‘kill’ cancer research about weed killer

#47

Post by bpodgursky »

colordrops wrote: post #44
bpodgursky wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Luckily we still have the rule of law, so the majority can't simply shut down a company they dislike based on an internet misinformation campaign.

Campaign implies organization. Who do you suppose is working to shut down Monsanto?

A mob can be stupid and dangerous without a sinister corporate backing.

Who is funding the anti-vaccine campaign? Nobody. It's stupid online bloggers and dishonest researchers egging each other on with fake news.

Re: Monsanto leaks suggest it tried to ‘kill’ cancer research about weed killer

#48

Post by [deleted] »

tptacek wrote: post #23

I don't know what Monsanto did or didn't do and don't have any particular rooting interest for Monsanto, but I think it's worth noting that the published science for the carcinogenicity of glyphosate (the "weed killer" we're talking about here) is extremely flimsy. Most publicity about "cancer" and "Monsanto" is traceable back to an IARC report that the World Health Organization (IARC's parent) essentially retracted.…

[deleted]

Re: Monsanto leaks suggest it tried to ‘kill’ cancer research about weed killer

#49

Post by [deleted] »

meric wrote: post #36
throwaway5752 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Science is a process and is close to an infallible thing as we have created as humans. There is no problem with science. What is happening here is "lying". The people creating false and misleading scientific results are liars and it becomes a question of taking skeptical views towards sources and knowing who to trust.

Christianity is belief in Christ and is close to an infallible thing as we have as humans. There is no problem with Christianity. What is happening here is "corruption". The people using Christianity to further their own egos and desires are liars and it becomes a question of taking skeptical views towards authoritative figures and knowing who to trust. Be careful about making Science™ a religion. Nothing in this wor…

[deleted]

Re: Monsanto leaks suggest it tried to ‘kill’ cancer research about weed killer

#50

Post by [deleted] »

tptacek wrote: post #23

I don't know what Monsanto did or didn't do and don't have any particular rooting interest for Monsanto, but I think it's worth noting that the published science for the carcinogenicity of glyphosate (the "weed killer" we're talking about here) is extremely flimsy. Most publicity about "cancer" and "Monsanto" is traceable back to an IARC report that the World Health Organization (IARC's parent) essentially retracted.…

[deleted]
Post reply on HN