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Are We Experimenting on Our Children with Soy Formula?

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Re: Are We Experimenting on Our Children with Soy Formula?

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Post by taberiand »

jdmichal wrote: post #64
r2d2klapa wrote: post #13

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Of course. My daughter is 18 months old and fed exclusively with breast milk. We want to wean her soon, so we are looking for alternatives.

My son is 17 months and has been on zero milk or formula since around 12 months. We were weaning him already, but he went cold turkey by himself after he caught a 24-hour stomach bug and vomited milk all day... We started with blended foods around 6 months I think, and added in small solid foods once he got teeth. At this point, we give him whole berries or veggie chunks and he'll take small bites and munch it down.…

As a parent, it is very exciting and a joy to see them grow and reach their milestones.

Re: Are We Experimenting on Our Children with Soy Formula?

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Post by bitJericho »

logfromblammo wrote: post #72
bitJericho wrote: post #69

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I don't know anything about the "milk lobby". What I do know is that Milk consumption started 5000 years ago, at the dawn of civilization. That is no coincidence.

Goat milk plus folic acid would be better for an infant 12 months or older than bovine milk. Bovine and goat milks are unsuitable for infants under 12 months, because they contain too much protein in undiluted form, and not enough nutrition content when diluted to safe protein levels. The dawn of civilization up until the industrial age fed human babies exclusively on their mothers' milk, or upon the milk of a human…

Woah I never said anything about feeding a baby cow milk! We're talking about an 18 month old here.

Re: Are We Experimenting on Our Children with Soy Formula?

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Post by bitJericho »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #42
bitJericho wrote: post #29

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at 18 months she should be ready to switch over entirely. Soy would not be appropriate for a child unless she has milk allergies. Feed her whole milk, it's incredibly important for her brain development.

You do realize that the push to condition consumers to a heavily dairy based diet is a result of industry lobbying, right?

No I don't. Source plz?

Re: Are We Experimenting on Our Children with Soy Formula?

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Post by bitJericho »

logfromblammo wrote: post #72
bitJericho wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know anything about the "milk lobby". What I do know is that Milk consumption started 5000 years ago, at the dawn of civilization. That is no coincidence.

Goat milk plus folic acid would be better for an infant 12 months or older than bovine milk. Bovine and goat milks are unsuitable for infants under 12 months, because they contain too much protein in undiluted form, and not enough nutrition content when diluted to safe protein levels. The dawn of civilization up until the industrial age fed human babies exclusively on their mothers' milk, or upon the milk of a human…

It was not a dietary choice. We were lactose intolerant up until 5000 years ago. It was so useful to human survival that we quickly became capable of consuming dairy. Look up some life expectancy research

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/07/090722083720.h...

Re: Are We Experimenting on Our Children with Soy Formula?

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Post by mustacheemperor »

bitJericho wrote: post #69
mustacheemperor wrote: post #68

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That NIH publication is interesting. Other than that these sources seem sketchy. Not to put a horse in the race, but if you're trying to argue that the milk lobby isn't responsible for the idea that milk is necessary for development, the people behind the food pyramid and the literal milk lobby are not the best sources to cite.

I don't know anything about the "milk lobby". What I do know is that Milk consumption started 5000 years ago, at the dawn of civilization. That is no coincidence.

Sure, and just like with grain and other staples dairy is a massive, profitable industry with public and government lobbying organizations, like the one you linked. I'm not picking a fight with you and have no qualms with dairy consumption, I'm just saying your sources are potentially just as biased as the wheat based food pyramid. If you're trying to convince people milk is healhy there's better options. And as far as necessary for civilization, it's not like every human society in history emerged cultivating cattle.

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Post by Johnny_Brahms »

scythe wrote: post #77
Johnny_Brahms wrote: post #39

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Those vegans are the very few you read about in newspapers every 3 years. They became began for health reasons and take it to the extreme, and somehow manage to convince themselves that even breast milk is bad. Nobody has actually met someone like that,yet they are the ones people think of when they hear the words vegan and parent in the same sentence. On soy: depending on you estrogen levels soy can heighten you est…

On dairy and estrogen: http://www.birdflubook.org/resources/Maruyama_2010_PI_52_33.... >Those vegans are the very few you read about in newspapers every 3 years. They became began for health reasons and take it to the extreme, and somehow manage to convince themselves that even breast milk is bad. I had a friend who went vegan and whose BMI soon became noticeably underweight (6'2"/150#;198cm/68kg); his girlfriend was…

Veganism as a means for eating disorders is pretty well known, but that is 1. A symptom of someone's sickly obsession with food and 2. Not really what I was talking about. Eating disorders by proxy would really be child abuse.

I have seen smart people go vegan and only eat salads with some occasional tofu and then conclude it isn't possible to be vegan since that apparently means "live off 500kcal/day".

Re: Are We Experimenting on Our Children with Soy Formula?

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Post by Johnny_Brahms »

logfromblammo wrote: post #70
Johnny_Brahms wrote: post #39

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Those vegans are the very few you read about in newspapers every 3 years. They became began for health reasons and take it to the extreme, and somehow manage to convince themselves that even breast milk is bad. Nobody has actually met someone like that,yet they are the ones people think of when they hear the words vegan and parent in the same sentence. On soy: depending on you estrogen levels soy can heighten you est…

When I hear the word "vegan" I think of a person that spends so much time thinking about food and nutrition science that they just have to tell you all about it. They are one of my canaries in the metaphorical food safety coal mine. I am usually annoyed by all their incessant twittering, but if they ever actually fell silent, I'd be very alarmed. In all probability, from what I think I know, the phytoestrogens from s…

The only reason I read about nutrition in general (and I can't say I am very knowledgeable about all possible effects of isaflavones) was that I was being constantly told by friends and family that I was going to die of whatever they imagined vegans died of.

On BPA: I just found my son half devouring a receipt, so yeah: hormonally disturbing parent of the year!

Re: Are We Experimenting on Our Children with Soy Formula?

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Post by logfromblammo »

Johnny_Brahms wrote: post #87
logfromblammo wrote: post #70

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When I hear the word "vegan" I think of a person that spends so much time thinking about food and nutrition science that they just have to tell you all about it. They are one of my canaries in the metaphorical food safety coal mine. I am usually annoyed by all their incessant twittering, but if they ever actually fell silent, I'd be very alarmed. In all probability, from what I think I know, the phytoestrogens from s…

The only reason I read about nutrition in general (and I can't say I am very knowledgeable about all possible effects of isaflavones) was that I was being constantly told by friends and family that I was going to die of whatever they imagined vegans died of. On BPA: I just found my son half devouring a receipt, so yeah: hormonally disturbing parent of the year!

~Congratulations. You just guaranteed that he will grow up to wear a striped trilby, call it a fedora, and say "m'lady".~

~...To his anime character pillow.~

~...In your basement.~

~Best to just turn yourself in to child protective services now, you horrible, horrible monster.~

Don't worry, anti-vaccine parents are still worse than you.

Re: Are We Experimenting on Our Children with Soy Formula?

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Post by logfromblammo »

bitJericho wrote: post #82
logfromblammo wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Goat milk plus folic acid would be better for an infant 12 months or older than bovine milk. Bovine and goat milks are unsuitable for infants under 12 months, because they contain too much protein in undiluted form, and not enough nutrition content when diluted to safe protein levels. The dawn of civilization up until the industrial age fed human babies exclusively on their mothers' milk, or upon the milk of a human…

Woah I never said anything about feeding a baby cow milk! We're talking about an 18 month old here.

It's obligatory to mention it whenever talking about giving milk to infants. Besides that, if veteran parents don't make green parents neurotic about screwing their kids up for the rest of their lives, the industry that sells them books and useless crap might collapse.

Re: Are We Experimenting on Our Children with Soy Formula?

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Post by Qworg »

Sleeep wrote: post #63
Qworg wrote: post #17

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Not legally. There are underground exchanges and black markets, etc. La Leche League can hook you up.

Yes, legally. Human milk can be obtained from a milk bank with a doctor's prescription[1] and sells for $3-5 an oz.[2] [1] http://milkbankne.org/receive/ [2] https://lactationmatters.org/2013/11/08/why-is-donor-milk-so...

Interesting! We had looked into this before and found that it was difficult/impossible. I'm glad it exists!
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