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Are We Experimenting on Our Children with Soy Formula?

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Re: Are We Experimenting on Our Children with Soy Formula?

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at 18 months she should be ready to switch over entirely. Soy would not be appropriate for a child unless she has milk allergies. Feed her whole milk, it's incredibly important for her brain development.

Since when humans need cows milk to develop their brain? Did you know that a significant part of the human population is lactose intolerant?

Since 5000 years ago.

Re: Are We Experimenting on Our Children with Soy Formula?

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That NIH publication is interesting. Other than that these sources seem sketchy. Not to put a horse in the race, but if you're trying to argue that the milk lobby isn't responsible for the idea that milk is necessary for development, the people behind the food pyramid and the literal milk lobby are not the best sources to cite.

I don't know anything about the "milk lobby". What I do know is that Milk consumption started 5000 years ago, at the dawn of civilization. That is no coincidence.

Goat milk plus folic acid would be better for an infant 12 months or older than bovine milk.

Bovine and goat milks are unsuitable for infants under 12 months, because they contain too much protein in undiluted form, and not enough nutrition content when diluted to safe protein levels.

The dawn of civilization up until the industrial age fed human babies exclusively on their mothers' milk, or upon the milk of a human wet nurse. Those that could not feed in this manner died. It was very tragic, and it made a lot of people very sad.

Consuming bovine milk is not a critical step in human evolution. It's just a culinary choice. People also ate locusts back then. It didn't catch on as well, because cheese tastes better, and doesn't have raspy, sticklike hindlegs that get stuck in your teeth if you don't snip them off with kitchen scissors. You can certainly feed your baby pureed grasshoppers, but most people don't, because they are squeamish about insectophagy themselves.

Re: Are We Experimenting on Our Children with Soy Formula?

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That whole article is written like irresponsible click-bait journalism. After raising four kids I can take shit like this with a grain of salt, but as a new parent I would've freaked out and overreacted. When two of my kids were babies they had bad reactions to normal formula, and weren't gaining enough weight with breastmilk. Soy formula was the only other option and not giving it to them likely would've been worse…

No, the other option was to ignore the pediatrician with his one size fits all weight gain curve and continue breastfeeding. We told our ped to talk to the hand unless they could demonstrate a REAL problem. Kid is the smartest 8-yo I've seen.

Re: Are We Experimenting on Our Children with Soy Formula?

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Most animal feed is soy-based. What effect does that have? Also, why would a vegan/vegetarian be against breast milk exactly? And finally: does anyone have any info on the effect of large soy consumption on males? I've been vegetarian for 6 months and trying to go vegan (mostly for past 1.5 months) so my soy consumption is at an all time high. Thanks!

It's pretty common knowledge that soy contains phytoestrogens, which behave similar to estrogen.

I know that. I read the article. What's the point of your comment other than restating the article premise? You answered none of my questions.

Re: Are We Experimenting on Our Children with Soy Formula?

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Most animal feed is soy-based. What effect does that have? Also, why would a vegan/vegetarian be against breast milk exactly? And finally: does anyone have any info on the effect of large soy consumption on males? I've been vegetarian for 6 months and trying to go vegan (mostly for past 1.5 months) so my soy consumption is at an all time high. Thanks!

There are several studies on the effects of soy-based estrogenic effects on men; here are three: Hormonal effects of soy in premenopausal women and men http://jn.nutrition.org/content/132/3/570S.long Effects of replacing meat with soyabean in the diet on sex hormone concentrations in healthy adult males https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/c... Effect of a phytoestrogen food supplement on reprod…

Thanks for the links!

Re: Are We Experimenting on Our Children with Soy Formula?

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That whole article is written like irresponsible click-bait journalism. After raising four kids I can take shit like this with a grain of salt, but as a new parent I would've freaked out and overreacted. When two of my kids were babies they had bad reactions to normal formula, and weren't gaining enough weight with breastmilk. Soy formula was the only other option and not giving it to them likely would've been worse…

One of my kids was allergic to soy and caesin (not lactose). So, we had to go on a hunt for low caesin/caesin free formulas, which aren't available readily in the US. We found this one called HiP organic which satisfied our need - it's a German brand.

It's "casein", not "caesin".

Re: Are We Experimenting on Our Children with Soy Formula?

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Most animal feed is soy-based. What effect does that have? Also, why would a vegan/vegetarian be against breast milk exactly? And finally: does anyone have any info on the effect of large soy consumption on males? I've been vegetarian for 6 months and trying to go vegan (mostly for past 1.5 months) so my soy consumption is at an all time high. Thanks!

Those vegans are the very few you read about in newspapers every 3 years. They became began for health reasons and take it to the extreme, and somehow manage to convince themselves that even breast milk is bad. Nobody has actually met someone like that,yet they are the ones people think of when they hear the words vegan and parent in the same sentence. On soy: depending on you estrogen levels soy can heighten you est…

On dairy and estrogen:

http://www.birdflubook.org/resources/Maruyama_2010_PI_52_33....

>Those vegans are the very few you read about in newspapers every 3 years. They became began for health reasons and take it to the extreme, and somehow manage to convince themselves that even breast milk is bad.

I had a friend who went vegan and whose BMI soon became noticeably underweight (6'2"/150#;198cm/68kg); his girlfriend was concerned and started making lots of desserts. Some cajoling from me and others convinced him to give it up. But vegan self-injury is not actually that rare in my experience.

Re: Are We Experimenting on Our Children with Soy Formula?

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Also worth noting what kind of GE we're talking about: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetically_modified_soybean tl;dr: mostly pesticide resistance. That has significant environmental/economic consequences, but those edits (probably) don't change how soy interacts with endocrine receptors.

>That has significant environmental/economic consequences, but those edits (probably) don't change how soy interacts with endocrine receptors. Pesticide resistant crops being completely doused in glyphosate right before harvest probably does have an impact on health though. http://people.csail.mit.edu/seneff/ITX_2013_06_04_Seneff.pdf

Absolutely, but that's not isolated to soybeans. Plus we've been abusing toxic pesticides for decades - that's just greedy human shortsightedness.

Re: Are We Experimenting on Our Children with Soy Formula?

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Human breast milk? You know, as nature intended?

Only 13% of mothers are able to provide breast milk for 100% of their child's needs for the first 6 months, according to NPR. http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2013/09/23/22534912...

That source clearly states that only 13% do exclusively breastfeed their babies-- not can. It is common for women to "give up" on breastfeeding for a variety of reasons, but don't construe that as an inability to sustain their children's nutrition.

Re: Are We Experimenting on Our Children with Soy Formula?

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> Feed her whole milk, it's incredibly important for her brain development. No, no it's not.

The fats in whole milk are, but you can get the appropriate fats from other sources.

Definitely, as you said - it's the fats, not the milk.
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