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Re: Are We Experimenting on Our Children with Soy Formula?

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Aug 02, 2017, 8:26 PM UTC

jadell wrote: post #51

blacksmith_tb wrote: post #2

Clearly worth investigation, but when I hear arguments about soy being a serious endocrine disruptor, I can't help but wonder about the hundreds of millions of people throughout Asia eating it daily...

This is addressed explicitly in the article: > Cultures with a long-time reliance on soy protein apparently realized this early, Patisaul adds. For instance, the compounds in soy are known to interfere with the body’s uptake of iodine, an element necessary for healthy functioning of the hormones produced by the thyroid gland. Chinese farmers first cultivated soybeans about 1100 B.C., so it’s not surprising, she notes…

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Re: Are We Experimenting on Our Children with Soy Formula?

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Post by angersock » Wed, Aug 02, 2017, 8:29 PM UTC

cholantesh wrote: post #60

angersock wrote: post #7

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Human breast milk? You know, as nature intended?

>intended Awfully presumptuous.

Only if you are somehow ignorant of biology and evolution I guess?

Re: Are We Experimenting on Our Children with Soy Formula?

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Post by Sleeep » Wed, Aug 02, 2017, 8:31 PM UTC

Qworg wrote: post #17

derefr wrote: post #14

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I assume the parent poster means "in cases where a lactating mother isn't freely available." Can you buy human breast milk?

Not legally. There are underground exchanges and black markets, etc. La Leche League can hook you up.

Yes, legally.

Human milk can be obtained from a milk bank with a doctor's prescription[1] and sells for $3-5 an oz.[2]

[1]http://milkbankne.org/receive/

[2]https://lactationmatters.org/2013/11/08/why-is-donor-milk-so...

Re: Are We Experimenting on Our Children with Soy Formula?

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Post by jdmichal » Wed, Aug 02, 2017, 8:31 PM UTC

r2d2klapa wrote: post #13

angersock wrote: post #7

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Human breast milk? You know, as nature intended?

Of course. My daughter is 18 months old and fed exclusively with breast milk. We want to wean her soon, so we are looking for alternatives.

My son is 17 months and has been on zero milk or formula since around 12 months. We were weaning him already, but he went cold turkey by himself after he caught a 24-hour stomach bug and vomited milk all day...

We started with blended foods around 6 months I think, and added in small solid foods once he got teeth. At this point, we give him whole berries or veggie chunks and he'll take small bites and munch it down. He's getting some molars breaching now; once they fully emerge we'll start working on chewing larger pieces. I should probably not be as excited about this as I am...

Re: Are We Experimenting on Our Children with Soy Formula?

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Post by mach5 » Wed, Aug 02, 2017, 8:32 PM UTC

pesfandiar wrote: post #54

r2d2klapa wrote: post #13

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Of course. My daughter is 18 months old and fed exclusively with breast milk. We want to wean her soon, so we are looking for alternatives.

How does she get things like Vitamin D or iron that breast milk is missing?

not OP but we were directed by our doctor to supplement with Vitamin D, which we do once daily. easy fix

Re: Are We Experimenting on Our Children with Soy Formula?

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Post by dp-tyvek » Wed, Aug 02, 2017, 8:33 PM UTC

gervase wrote: post #10

mcone wrote: post #4

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Something to note is that 93 percent of soy grown in the United States is genetically modified [0]. [0]: https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/adoption-of-genetical...

Is there any evidence to suggest that genetically-modified soy has higher or lower phytoestrogen content as compared with non-GMO soy?

Soy (and other crops) are modified to be resistant to pesticides and pests, so I presume it makes no difference for their phytoestrogen contents. For example, glyphosate ("Roundup") resistant crops are only modified to have a different version (which still preforms the same function) of the enzyme that would otherwise have been inhibited by glyphosate, IIRC.

Re: Are We Experimenting on Our Children with Soy Formula?

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Post by cholantesh » Wed, Aug 02, 2017, 8:39 PM UTC

angersock wrote: post #62

cholantesh wrote: post #60

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>intended Awfully presumptuous.

Only if you are somehow ignorant of biology and evolution I guess?

Implying that evolution has 'intent' is pretty ignorant, yes.

Re: Are We Experimenting on Our Children with Soy Formula?

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Post by mustacheemperor » Wed, Aug 02, 2017, 8:43 PM UTC

bitJericho wrote: post #46

throwaway413 wrote: post #32

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> Feed her whole milk, it's incredibly important for her brain development. No, no it's not.

It absolutely is. We have evolved to eat cooked food and drink milk. http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_evolu... https://www.choosemyplate.gov/dairy-nutrients-health http://www.idfa.org/news-views/media-kits/milk/importance-of... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2039733/

That NIH publication is interesting. Other than that these sources seem sketchy. Not to put a horse in the race, but if you're trying to argue that the milk lobby isn't responsible for the idea that milk is necessary for development, the people behind the food pyramid and the literal milk lobby are not the best sources to cite.

Re: Are We Experimenting on Our Children with Soy Formula?

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Post by bitJericho » Wed, Aug 02, 2017, 8:49 PM UTC

mustacheemperor wrote: post #68

bitJericho wrote: post #46

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It absolutely is. We have evolved to eat cooked food and drink milk. http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_evolu... https://www.choosemyplate.gov/dairy-nutrients-health http://www.idfa.org/news-views/media-kits/milk/importance-of... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2039733/

That NIH publication is interesting. Other than that these sources seem sketchy. Not to put a horse in the race, but if you're trying to argue that the milk lobby isn't responsible for the idea that milk is necessary for development, the people behind the food pyramid and the literal milk lobby are not the best sources to cite.

I don't know anything about the "milk lobby". What I do know is that Milk consumption started 5000 years ago, at the dawn of civilization. That is no coincidence.

Re: Are We Experimenting on Our Children with Soy Formula?

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Post by logfromblammo » Wed, Aug 02, 2017, 8:51 PM UTC

Johnny_Brahms wrote: post #39

deft wrote: post #6

Most animal feed is soy-based. What effect does that have? Also, why would a vegan/vegetarian be against breast milk exactly? And finally: does anyone have any info on the effect of large soy consumption on males? I've been vegetarian for 6 months and trying to go vegan (mostly for past 1.5 months) so my soy consumption is at an all time high. Thanks!

Those vegans are the very few you read about in newspapers every 3 years. They became began for health reasons and take it to the extreme, and somehow manage to convince themselves that even breast milk is bad. Nobody has actually met someone like that,yet they are the ones people think of when they hear the words vegan and parent in the same sentence. On soy: depending on you estrogen levels soy can heighten you est…

When I hear the word "vegan" I think of a person that spends so much time thinking about food and nutrition science that they just have to tell you all about it.

They are one of my canaries in the metaphorical food safety coal mine. I am usually annoyed by all their incessant twittering, but if they ever actually fell silent, I'd be very alarmed.

In all probability, from what I think I know, the phytoestrogens from soy-based foods are far less concerning than the bisphenol-A (BPA) in food-contacting plastics and thermal receipt paper. My profiler says to take care of the biggest problems first.