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Are We Experimenting on Our Children with Soy Formula?

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Re: Are We Experimenting on Our Children with Soy Formula?

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Post by jadell »

blacksmith_tb wrote: post #2

Clearly worth investigation, but when I hear arguments about soy being a serious endocrine disruptor, I can't help but wonder about the hundreds of millions of people throughout Asia eating it daily...

This is addressed explicitly in the article:

> Cultures with a long-time reliance on soy protein apparently realized this early, Patisaul adds. For instance, the compounds in soy are known to interfere with the body’s uptake of iodine, an element necessary for healthy functioning of the hormones produced by the thyroid gland. Chinese farmers first cultivated soybeans about 1100 B.C., so it’s not surprising, she notes, that many Asian diets gradually evolved to contain foods that contain extra high levels of iodine, such as seaweeds.

Re: Are We Experimenting on Our Children with Soy Formula?

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Post by boyaka »

losteric wrote: post #8
mcone wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Something to note is that 93 percent of soy grown in the United States is genetically modified [0]. [0]: https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/adoption-of-genetical...

Also worth noting what kind of GE we're talking about: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetically_modified_soybean tl;dr: mostly pesticide resistance. That has significant environmental/economic consequences, but those edits (probably) don't change how soy interacts with endocrine receptors.

Ive only heard of herbicide resistance, aka roundup ready. The bt modification (Cry1Ac protein from Bacillus thuringiensis), afaik, is itself a pesticide, or produces pesticide.

Edit: I suppose "pest" could refer to weeds and insects? I may have been thinking insecticide.

Re: Are We Experimenting on Our Children with Soy Formula?

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Post by menacingly »

brianlweiner wrote: post #20
angersock wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Human breast milk? You know, as nature intended?

Only 13% of mothers are able to provide breast milk for 100% of their child's needs for the first 6 months, according to NPR. http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2013/09/23/22534912...

There is no link you could possibly share to make that number make sense.

Re: Are We Experimenting on Our Children with Soy Formula?

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Post by pesfandiar »

r2d2klapa wrote: post #13
angersock wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Human breast milk? You know, as nature intended?

Of course. My daughter is 18 months old and fed exclusively with breast milk. We want to wean her soon, so we are looking for alternatives.

How does she get things like Vitamin D or iron that breast milk is missing?

Re: Are We Experimenting on Our Children with Soy Formula?

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Post by jdmichal »

anothername wrote: post #35
brianlweiner wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only 13% of mothers are able to provide breast milk for 100% of their child's needs for the first 6 months, according to NPR. http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2013/09/23/22534912...

This is what is written in your link, "Only 13 percent manage to breast-feed exclusively for the six months that are recommended for a baby's health". If there was no formula do you think there would be a 87% mortality rate for babies?

No. That's why wet nurses [0] were -- and in some areas still are -- a thing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wet_nurse

Re: Are We Experimenting on Our Children with Soy Formula?

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Post by Johnny_Brahms »

overcast wrote: post #19
deft wrote: post #6

Most animal feed is soy-based. What effect does that have? Also, why would a vegan/vegetarian be against breast milk exactly? And finally: does anyone have any info on the effect of large soy consumption on males? I've been vegetarian for 6 months and trying to go vegan (mostly for past 1.5 months) so my soy consumption is at an all time high. Thanks!

It's pretty common knowledge that soy contains phytoestrogens, which behave similar to estrogen.

They are similar to estrogen,but not as biologically active. If they bind to hormone receptors, they are just as likely to block biologically more active estrogens. Whether they make your estrogen levels higher or lower depends on how high activity you had in the first place.

Re: Are We Experimenting on Our Children with Soy Formula?

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Post by Johnny_Brahms »

overcast wrote: post #19
deft wrote: post #6

Most animal feed is soy-based. What effect does that have? Also, why would a vegan/vegetarian be against breast milk exactly? And finally: does anyone have any info on the effect of large soy consumption on males? I've been vegetarian for 6 months and trying to go vegan (mostly for past 1.5 months) so my soy consumption is at an all time high. Thanks!

It's pretty common knowledge that soy contains phytoestrogens, which behave similar to estrogen.

They are similar to estrogen,but not as biologically active. If they bind to hormone receptors, they are just as likely to block biologically more active estrogens. Whether they make your estrogen levels higher or lower depends on how high activity you had in the first place.

Re: Are We Experimenting on Our Children with Soy Formula?

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Post by rhinoceraptor »

anothername wrote: post #35
brianlweiner wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only 13% of mothers are able to provide breast milk for 100% of their child's needs for the first 6 months, according to NPR. http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2013/09/23/22534912...

This is what is written in your link, "Only 13 percent manage to breast-feed exclusively for the six months that are recommended for a baby's health". If there was no formula do you think there would be a 87% mortality rate for babies?

It's a bit like how in the modern era where food access is abundant, it's seen as strange and unhealthy to fast. But somehow humanity survived before this access to food, at times not eating for weeks.

Re: Are We Experimenting on Our Children with Soy Formula?

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Post by Sleeep »

derefr wrote: post #14
angersock wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Human breast milk? You know, as nature intended?

I assume the parent poster means "in cases where a lactating mother isn't freely available." Can you buy human breast milk?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_milk_bank
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