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Re: The war between Google, Facebook, Amazon, and Apple

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Post by deegles »

drewg123 wrote: post #18

What I think is potentially more interesting is the anti-consumer behaviors of Amazon in what I call the Amazon/Google cold war over video: - Amazon not allowing the sale of chromecast - Amazon keeping its instant video app off generic android TV devices for a long time, even though they had an app that worked with the Sony android TV. - Amazon using its instant video app as a trojan horse to get you to install the A…

> Amazon using its instant video app as a trojan horse

Google requires Play Services to be installed and enabled in order to allow Chromecast, which is why no Google apps are on Amazon Fire devices. If anything Amazon's approach is less intrusive since it's just one extra app (unless they also install services).

Re: The war between Google, Facebook, Amazon, and Apple

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idlewords wrote: post #27
Nerdfest wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The writers seem to be solid Apple fans and exaggerate their influence. With billions in free marketing from every media site on the planet, Apple would be pretty much irrelevant already.

Apple is the most valuable company in the world.

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Re: The war between Google, Facebook, Amazon, and Apple

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Post by fhood »

johnsmith21006 wrote: post #29
idlewords wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Amazon's role in the oligopoly is running much of cloud computing. It comes down to this: - Google and Facebook capture all the value in online ads - Amazon, Google and Microsoft control the cloud - Apple and Google have a duopoly mobile OS - Apple and Microsoft dominate desktop OSs (sorry linux bro) - Facebook essentially controls online political advertising, and its founder is gearing up for a run at office Even i…

Actually Chromebooks have already passed the Mac in the US and growing at 38% YoY versus the Mac is flat. https://www.theverge.com/2016/5/19/11711714/chromebooks-outs... Chromebooks outsold Macs for the first time in the US - The Verge Heck we have. http://9to5google.com/2016/06/20/chromebooks-taking-over-mac... At Apple CEO Tim Cook's old high school, they are selling their ...

This is sort of a silly argument though. Mac and Chromebook don't really exist in the same space. One is ultra high-end and one is decidedly budget conscious.

Re: The war between Google, Facebook, Amazon, and Apple

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Post by Nerdfest »

idlewords wrote: post #27
Nerdfest wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The writers seem to be solid Apple fans and exaggerate their influence. With billions in free marketing from every media site on the planet, Apple would be pretty much irrelevant already.

Apple is the most valuable company in the world.

... and you don't think all the free marketing is a large part of that? It's a little quieter lately, but they have a huge fan-base in the media world due to them using Apple kit for both audio and video editing for years. How many other phone manufacturers get multiple articles in the news when a new model is released?

Re: The war between Google, Facebook, Amazon, and Apple

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Post by idlewords »

Nerdfest wrote: post #34
idlewords wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple is the most valuable company in the world.

... and you don't think all the free marketing is a large part of that? It's a little quieter lately, but they have a huge fan-base in the media world due to them using Apple kit for both audio and video editing for years. How many other phone manufacturers get multiple articles in the news when a new model is released?

I don't think free advertising gets you to 780B market cap. I think you're mistaking cause for effect.

Re: The war between Google, Facebook, Amazon, and Apple

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Post by codazoda »

jon-wood wrote: post #19
zzalpha wrote: post #6

I'm genuinely unsure how I feel about this article. First, the internet itself is only in danger if net neutrality is genuinely threatened by ISPs. Until then, the network itself is as open as it ever was. As for the services on top, the meta-layer of products and infrastructure we rely on--social media, content sources, smartphones and smart devices, etc--there's a lot of reason to be concerned. But Amazon's markets…

> Google is successful in a few areas ..., but they've proven incapable of pushing into other major areas (streaming services... Are we talking about the same Google here? The one that owns YouTube, which created an entire culture around video streaming online?

The comment is talking about paid monthly services as YouTube Red vs Netflix. Sure Google has the worlds most popular (mostly free) video site, monetized by advertising, but it can't seem to beat Netflix at paid subscriptions. It hasn't been able to beat Facebook at social networking either. Keep in mind that YouTube was a purchase for Google, as was Instagram for Facebook. Both probably very important for them long term.

Re: The war between Google, Facebook, Amazon, and Apple

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Post by fhood »

Nerdfest wrote: post #34
idlewords wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple is the most valuable company in the world.

... and you don't think all the free marketing is a large part of that? It's a little quieter lately, but they have a huge fan-base in the media world due to them using Apple kit for both audio and video editing for years. How many other phone manufacturers get multiple articles in the news when a new model is released?

Samsung and Google for one. I always see multiple articles on the newest Galaxy S whatever and the Pixel got a ton of coverage when it was released.

Re: The war between Google, Facebook, Amazon, and Apple

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Post by Nokinside »

Network externalities (product's value to a consumer changes as the number of users of the product changes) are so incredibly strong that few monopoly powers and eventual market failure is inevitability.

If you could run multiple parallel universes starting from early 90's, you would end with just handful of companies dominating the markets and using one service or product to leverage to other areas in almost all of them. Just the names of the companies would change.

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Re: The war between Google, Facebook, Amazon, and Apple

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Post by drewg123 »

deegles wrote: post #31
drewg123 wrote: post #18

What I think is potentially more interesting is the anti-consumer behaviors of Amazon in what I call the Amazon/Google cold war over video: - Amazon not allowing the sale of chromecast - Amazon keeping its instant video app off generic android TV devices for a long time, even though they had an app that worked with the Sony android TV. - Amazon using its instant video app as a trojan horse to get you to install the A…

> Amazon using its instant video app as a trojan horse Google requires Play Services to be installed and enabled in order to allow Chromecast, which is why no Google apps are on Amazon Fire devices. If anything Amazon's approach is less intrusive since it's just one extra app (unless they also install services).

The problem with both is that you have to allow unknown sources. It would be nice (on Google's part) to allow multiple app store certs, so you (as the consumer) could decide which app stores to trust & the OS could maintain some level of security based on the users prefs. As it is now, you need to open your phone up to potential malware to install another app store.

What I just don't get is why Amazon are trying to force people to get their video app via their app store, rather than putting it in Google play (where it is apparently available, but just for non-US regions). Is Google trying to take a cut of in-app transactions, like Apple does?

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