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Introverts, Emotional Processing, Self-Esteem and Salary Negotiations

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Re: Introverts, Emotional Processing, Self-Esteem and Salary Negotiations

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I was did a contract at a local engineering shop a year ago. Tech writing. The engineers were INCREDIBLE ASSHOLES. Really cold and dickish, to me that is. But to each other! JEEZ. Cliquish, abusive and just fucking mean. Total lord of the flies shit. Really toxic. I had a serious talk with a couple of the more abused ones. Told them, "no, it isn't you, it's them. You need to quit." I've seen some places that were a b…

Yep. :(

Re: Introverts, Emotional Processing, Self-Esteem and Salary Negotiations

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How so?

A manager could then point to the salary of someone in the same position and say "Jane gets paid $X in the same position, it would be unfair to give you a raise and not her" I don't work somewhere with transparent salaries and I already get that excuse — I've more than once heard "you're kind of already at the top of our range for X position" and "if we pay you anymore you'll be making more than me!"

There is a very good chance the manager lied to you.

Re: Introverts, Emotional Processing, Self-Esteem and Salary Negotiations

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With regard to the "WTF..." issue, I would recommend that you hold a post-mortem. Get together the relevant stake holders (head of sales, head of development) and review 1. What Happened, 2. What was the root cause and 3. Remediating Actions.

If its treated as an opportunity for improvement, and specifically not an exercise in assigning blame, then I've seen it be very successful. People have knowledge gaps, incorrect assumptions, institutional knowledge from other institutions, or just flat out make the wrong call under pressure, in hindsight. Learn from it and improve. That said, I've also seen it be completely pointless when a team believes it to be an exercise in blame assignment, no matter how much its been promised to the contrary. If its not possible to hold such an exercise, then the company has way bigger problems, and wouldn't you much rather work somewhere healthy?

Re: Introverts, Emotional Processing, Self-Esteem and Salary Negotiations

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're talking about a guy who was so paralyzed by the fact that the woman he was having sex with whispered sweet nothings into his ear that he dedicated three paragraphs to unpacking the discomfort it caused...

You joke but I think there's something more at play here. Sounds like the guy cannot multitask at all. Maybe on the spectrum.

Sounds like that's the case to me as well. Having safe stock phrases is explicitly a strategy used by autistic individuals to cope with unexpected situations. Like, one common issue that teachers often run into with more severely autistic students is that they'll say "no" to requests because they need to give a safe response of some sort, and the teacher interprets that as being willfully defiant rather than simply overwhelmed by the current situation and trying to do something safe.

Re: Introverts, Emotional Processing, Self-Esteem and Salary Negotiations

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Seems like most of his advice could be summed up as: "Don't over-complicate the situation". To use his first example, when he's being insulted why spin off into emotional-analysis neverland? What's happening there is you're being abused by an asshole, and you should respond to said abuse and, once that situation is resolved, examine the real issue more thoroughly. I'm speaking as someone who used to think exactly lik…

This deserves to be the topmost comment in this thread. I don't know if its a common problems among people, but even though I know these facts, I can't help but not be affected by gaffes or embarrassments in a rather traumatic way sometimes. This makes slights by others even more painful. Perhaps its a part of my subconscious mind but I have been working on it for a while. My reactions are less intense but I think I worry too much about things that don't really seem to matter... I've had to guide myself to not do that specifically.

Re: Introverts, Emotional Processing, Self-Esteem and Salary Negotiations

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An alternative approach I use to combat alpha-holes, and general abuse/anger is to not answer the question 100%, or answer with a lot of ambiguity. The goal is to raise more questions than you answer (don't answer them, just throw a curve ball). Couple it with some down-talking and you're good to go. This throws the attacker into a bit of mental confusion and their anger subsides instantly as they're trying to proces…

Something that isn't a counter attack like "Is your shirt inside out?" may also work.

Or just say "Sorry Tom" (if his name is Tim). (Any name that is close to his name but isn't his name: Jason/Justin, Tim/Tom, Nick/Rick, Bob/Bill, etc.)

Re: Introverts, Emotional Processing, Self-Esteem and Salary Negotiations

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Seems like most of his advice could be summed up as: "Don't over-complicate the situation". To use his first example, when he's being insulted why spin off into emotional-analysis neverland? What's happening there is you're being abused by an asshole, and you should respond to said abuse and, once that situation is resolved, examine the real issue more thoroughly. I'm speaking as someone who used to think exactly lik…

> you should respond to said abuse

To expand on this point, a solid "whoah, whoah, whoah...slow down for me...what happened" goes a long way. Recognising someone is in emotional pain, and working to solve that, goes miles with even the crankiest people.

Re: Introverts, Emotional Processing, Self-Esteem and Salary Negotiations

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An alternative approach I use to combat alpha-holes, and general abuse/anger is to not answer the question 100%, or answer with a lot of ambiguity. The goal is to raise more questions than you answer (don't answer them, just throw a curve ball). Couple it with some down-talking and you're good to go. This throws the attacker into a bit of mental confusion and their anger subsides instantly as they're trying to proces…

> Did your mom never tell you to ask before you touch? Hope you learnt a lesson today

If I weren't livid already, that would get me there. It's condescending, needlessly brings in and insults a loved one and offers zero empathy or productive feedback.

Re: Introverts, Emotional Processing, Self-Esteem and Salary Negotiations

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Paging HN's own JoshDoody, who helps developers with salary negotiation for a living. And/or anyone who has used his (or similar) services!

“What’s your current salary?” is a trap question–Here's how to answer it | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13724755

"Before you even get a job offer, it's important to decide what your "walk away" number is [...] I recommend literally writing it down" - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14447890

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