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Post by Pica_soO »

jaredklewis wrote: post #75
Pica_soO wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its normal for human society- once the hardship sets in, the mammoth has been eaten, mean spiritness sets in. The truth is, we never managed to create a stable society in economical unstable conditions, so everytime people start to starve - the world falls apart. Ironically even the counter-measures we come up with (Law & Order in a thousand variants/ various dreams of a big Swage elsewhere/Migration & New Beginnings…

But who is starving? Even poor people in the US are well off by historical and world standards. In fact poor in the US have a very different problem: obesity.

Participation in society - you can starve on chances. You will not be dad of a family, if you play video games all day long. You will have constant stress, keeping from falling into the social abyss, so you starve on security. There is more to a existance then a filled belly.

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Post by Pica_soO »

Pica_soO wrote: post #67
unabst wrote: post #52

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Intentional false positives need to be super-disincentivized. If all is well, the system would be open enough that the whistle blower can blow their whistle in the open. And everyone would support the investigation, and the parties on both sides. Eventually truth does need to exist regarding the why and what was reported. Although, this wouldn't work where: 1. There are still enough bad guys who would punish this per…

This meta-incentives i sort of lost track on them by now.

Why not add the patcher reward? He who rants out the gamble-ability of a system, reaps all the rewards of his fellow follow up loophole sneakers for patching? He/She who steps to late up and trys to milk a loophole/perverse incentive pays.

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Post by unabst »

wholinator wrote: post #78
joatmon-snoo wrote: post #64

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> You can't practice treating crimes differently based on who the person is, even if they're cops. As much as I want to agree with this statement, I can't help but feel that it's highly problematic in some sense. When it comes to court cases (IANAL, but this is my understanding), law enforcement officials' testimony is treated with a certain measure of elevated credibility (there's SCOTUS precedent for this, but I ca…

Preface: i am not a lawyer either and i welcome criticism as this is just an idea. I think the solution wouldn't be to charge robbery twice as hard for cops, but to have an additional charge. Something like 'abuse of federal trusted power' or something like that which would carry its own penalties. This, i think, wouldn't cause the strict separation of penalties that could be problematic, but it would address the pro…

Yes this. Hate crime is a crime that adds penalties to what otherwise would be the same act. The problem with hate crime is it assumes we can know someone's thoughts, but with a "violation of trust" crime, being in a superior position of elevated responsibility would be enough.

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Post by rhizome »

raldi wrote: post #58
rhizome wrote: post #25

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Privacy. That sometimes they go to the bathroom, or talk on the phone to their families.

What's the argument against having body cameras on at all times that they're interacting with the public, other than when the person they're talking to specifically requests that the camera be turned off?

Technological limitations: it's not the kind of thing that can be done automatically.

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Post by travmatt »

Eridrus wrote: post #4
Yhippa wrote: post #2

What's the incentive for cops to plant drugs on people? I assume they get some kind of bonus or have a performance review rating on how many "criminals" they apprehend?

I assume they believe they know who is guilty and just lack the evidence, so they add evidence.

Also, they may have found the evidence by some illegal means and plant the evidence to reintroduce it in an ostensibly admissible way.

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Post by jjt-yn_t »

cheetos wrote: post #62
unclebucknasty wrote: post #54

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Funny, the machinations we devise to skirt the core problem, which is an increasing dearth of fundamental moraltity. Look around.. Something's gone completely wrong. Everyone is angry and there is decreasing value placed on kindness and decency. In fact, selfishness is increasingly a virtue. Observe how POTUS behaves. I don't care what side you're on, there is nothing normal or healthy about that level of chaos, narc…

America, since its founding, has been an experiment in extreme individualism over collectivism. We worship capitalism over all else. Even a whisper of government programs that help the poor are vilified as communist. Selfishness and immorality is a natural consequence of that. Things won't change until our culture completely changes.

  One small datapoint, Johnson's war on poverty included maybe the regulatory capture of the single mother having food without a male [food stamps].  Rendering two households, each more destitute, and of which the vilified lesser provider [male ]. Thus, collectivist [ single parent] over the indidivual [family]. Not to disparage the program, maybe its implementation as of now vs what was forseen.

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Post by pas »

b6 wrote: post #71
cheetos wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

America, since its founding, has been an experiment in extreme individualism over collectivism. We worship capitalism over all else. Even a whisper of government programs that help the poor are vilified as communist. Selfishness and immorality is a natural consequence of that. Things won't change until our culture completely changes.

People in the US are extremely generous, by any measure.

But not effective. Not rational. Sure, they help their neighbors, but they hate those Others at the end of the town/state/country.

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Post by mcappleton »

_fk6q wrote: post #60
unabst wrote: post #43

There is an important distinction between someone who doesn't misbehave for fear of being watched, and someone who wishes to be watched in fear of the perception of misbehavior. There is no substitute for someone who's intent is to try and get away with things, and someone who's intent is to serve a cause, be of service, and not get away with anything. So really, we should build a system where the intent of transpare…

On books, everything you say makes sense in the ideal world. But in practicable reality, things are a bit more complicated. Re: item 1, Baltimore is the birthplace of the "Stop Snitchin'" movement, a heavily distributed and well marketed street campaign defining a dynamic that a wiki entry can't possibly describe accurately. The bigger point is that it had a counter-campaign on the police side which retaliated agains…

We did not give up "lex talionis". In fact, shooting a police officer is currently punished more harshly than regular people, at least in Texas. It's called "capital murder" in texas

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Post by unclebucknasty »

aoeusnth1 wrote: post #55
unclebucknasty wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny, the machinations we devise to skirt the core problem, which is an increasing dearth of fundamental moraltity. Look around.. Something's gone completely wrong. Everyone is angry and there is decreasing value placed on kindness and decency. In fact, selfishness is increasingly a virtue. Observe how POTUS behaves. I don't care what side you're on, there is nothing normal or healthy about that level of chaos, narc…

Thank you. I feel like one of the few people in my friend group that isn't becoming radicalized, anti-democracy, anti-free-speech all sacrificed in favor of Justice. But what kind of justice can an authoritarian mono-Party state bring about?

Yes. It feels like everyone is under some sort of collective hypnotism or part of some strange reality show.

Literally, if you told me that something was being added to our food or water supplies to produce the odd effect that normalizes the madness that's happening, it would be completely plausible.

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Post by luca_ing »

_fk6q wrote: post #60
unabst wrote: post #43

There is an important distinction between someone who doesn't misbehave for fear of being watched, and someone who wishes to be watched in fear of the perception of misbehavior. There is no substitute for someone who's intent is to try and get away with things, and someone who's intent is to serve a cause, be of service, and not get away with anything. So really, we should build a system where the intent of transpare…

On books, everything you say makes sense in the ideal world. But in practicable reality, things are a bit more complicated. Re: item 1, Baltimore is the birthplace of the "Stop Snitchin'" movement, a heavily distributed and well marketed street campaign defining a dynamic that a wiki entry can't possibly describe accurately. The bigger point is that it had a counter-campaign on the police side which retaliated agains…

> You can't practice treating crimes differently based on who the person is, even if they're cops.

But isn't that common practice? Someone with prior convictions will get a harsher sentence.

By that same logic it's conceivable that someone might receive a harsher sentence based on being held to a higher standard.

> It's really messy.

Agreed.

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