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Baltimore State Attorney Drops Dozens of Cases: Body Cam Shows Drug-Planting

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Re: Baltimore State Attorney Drops Dozens of Cases: Body Cam Shows Drug-Planting

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post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I want two more important steps: 4. The video is archived for at least 90 days, with 360 being preferable. 5. The video is immediately encrypted when it is stored and should only be accessible by the district attorneys office.

> should only be accessible by the district attorneys office. Why the need for such a high level of secrecy? From outside of the US, the picture I get of the police force and the bodies that control them is they have a tendency to try and keep things secret. I would have though a more open system would instil a much higher level of public confidence in that policing system.

Okay.. if you really do want them to have access to the data, then you can amend that to 'Strong cryptographic message signing applied on storage.'

There really is a case to be made in keeping the video private; however, police often have to process your private information and the officers have privacy considerations themselves. I really wrote that with this in mind, as I think it's a strong hedge against the "officer privacy" argument. You _will_ constantly record on duty, and that information _will_ be kept private hopefully giving us the best of both worlds.

There's also an evidentiary and performance monitoring considerations. I don't want police to have access to their own video when making sworn statements, research has shown that this can bias and alter these statements which are incredibly important when establishing frame of mind in a courtroom. I also don't want police captains to have the ability to spy on their staff and use the cameras as a backdoor way to monitor the performance or judgement of officers on the street.

To that final point, you _want_ officers to be able to look the other way in certain circumstances.. they aren't a group that should be blindly applying the letter of the law, in my opinion, by keeping the video private you serve to protect this important discretionary relationship between officers and the public.

Re: Baltimore State Attorney Drops Dozens of Cases: Body Cam Shows Drug-Planting

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post #43

There is an important distinction between someone who doesn't misbehave for fear of being watched, and someone who wishes to be watched in fear of the perception of misbehavior. There is no substitute for someone who's intent is to try and get away with things, and someone who's intent is to serve a cause, be of service, and not get away with anything. So really, we should build a system where the intent of transpare…

Funny, the machinations we devise to skirt the core problem, which is an increasing dearth of fundamental moraltity. Look around.. Something's gone completely wrong. Everyone is angry and there is decreasing value placed on kindness and decency. In fact, selfishness is increasingly a virtue. Observe how POTUS behaves. I don't care what side you're on, there is nothing normal or healthy about that level of chaos, narc…

America, since its founding, has been an experiment in extreme individualism over collectivism. We worship capitalism over all else. Even a whisper of government programs that help the poor are vilified as communist. Selfishness and immorality is a natural consequence of that. Things won't change until our culture completely changes.

Re: Baltimore State Attorney Drops Dozens of Cases: Body Cam Shows Drug-Planting

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post #43

There is an important distinction between someone who doesn't misbehave for fear of being watched, and someone who wishes to be watched in fear of the perception of misbehavior. There is no substitute for someone who's intent is to try and get away with things, and someone who's intent is to serve a cause, be of service, and not get away with anything. So really, we should build a system where the intent of transpare…

Funny, the machinations we devise to skirt the core problem, which is an increasing dearth of fundamental moraltity. Look around.. Something's gone completely wrong. Everyone is angry and there is decreasing value placed on kindness and decency. In fact, selfishness is increasingly a virtue. Observe how POTUS behaves. I don't care what side you're on, there is nothing normal or healthy about that level of chaos, narc…

> Yet, this is the leader of the free world? It's a sad reflection of where we are.

You have Trump confused with Merkel.

Re: Baltimore State Attorney Drops Dozens of Cases: Body Cam Shows Drug-Planting

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post #60
post #43

There is an important distinction between someone who doesn't misbehave for fear of being watched, and someone who wishes to be watched in fear of the perception of misbehavior. There is no substitute for someone who's intent is to try and get away with things, and someone who's intent is to serve a cause, be of service, and not get away with anything. So really, we should build a system where the intent of transpare…

On books, everything you say makes sense in the ideal world. But in practicable reality, things are a bit more complicated. Re: item 1, Baltimore is the birthplace of the "Stop Snitchin'" movement, a heavily distributed and well marketed street campaign defining a dynamic that a wiki entry can't possibly describe accurately. The bigger point is that it had a counter-campaign on the police side which retaliated agains…

> You can't practice treating crimes differently based on who the person is, even if they're cops.

As much as I want to agree with this statement, I can't help but feel that it's highly problematic in some sense.

When it comes to court cases (IANAL, but this is my understanding), law enforcement officials' testimony is treated with a certain measure of elevated credibility (there's SCOTUS precedent for this, but I can't seem to find the cases). Violation of that trust - as in this case - should be penalized, but I don't know what kind of remedy would be appropriate.

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post #43

There is an important distinction between someone who doesn't misbehave for fear of being watched, and someone who wishes to be watched in fear of the perception of misbehavior. There is no substitute for someone who's intent is to try and get away with things, and someone who's intent is to serve a cause, be of service, and not get away with anything. So really, we should build a system where the intent of transpare…

You describe USSR and German Democratic Respublic (GDR) and I mean it in a very negative way, despite being very sympathetic to USSR and GDR.

The "whistle-blowing" there was a tool to socially lift oneself. And "10x punishment" is exactly what makes such lifting possible.

Re: Baltimore State Attorney Drops Dozens of Cases: Body Cam Shows Drug-Planting

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post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 1. Super-incentivize snitching. Reward whistle-blowers to the point where it becomes an easy decision. Not only monetary, but with honor and with medals. Make it the new "right thing to do" in public service. Fight corruption. Easy sell. They did this behind the Iron Curtain. At one point in Romania, 30% of the population were regularly reporting to the Secret Police. Wonder what the percent of false positives were…

Intentional false positives need to be super-disincentivized. If all is well, the system would be open enough that the whistle blower can blow their whistle in the open. And everyone would support the investigation, and the parties on both sides. Eventually truth does need to exist regarding the why and what was reported. Although, this wouldn't work where: 1. There are still enough bad guys who would punish this per…

What you describe is a DDoS scenario for a system you support.

I, with all my good will, can "blow a whistle" on a person I don't like, subconsciously or not. Just because I don't like him. And the defence of whistle blowers is exactly that - a good will.

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post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 1. Super-incentivize snitching. Reward whistle-blowers to the point where it becomes an easy decision. Not only monetary, but with honor and with medals. Make it the new "right thing to do" in public service. Fight corruption. Easy sell. They did this behind the Iron Curtain. At one point in Romania, 30% of the population were regularly reporting to the Secret Police. Wonder what the percent of false positives were…

Intentional false positives need to be super-disincentivized. If all is well, the system would be open enough that the whistle blower can blow their whistle in the open. And everyone would support the investigation, and the parties on both sides. Eventually truth does need to exist regarding the why and what was reported. Although, this wouldn't work where: 1. There are still enough bad guys who would punish this per…

This meta-incentives i sort of lost track on them by now.

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post #43

There is an important distinction between someone who doesn't misbehave for fear of being watched, and someone who wishes to be watched in fear of the perception of misbehavior. There is no substitute for someone who's intent is to try and get away with things, and someone who's intent is to serve a cause, be of service, and not get away with anything. So really, we should build a system where the intent of transpare…

Funny, the machinations we devise to skirt the core problem, which is an increasing dearth of fundamental moraltity. Look around.. Something's gone completely wrong. Everyone is angry and there is decreasing value placed on kindness and decency. In fact, selfishness is increasingly a virtue. Observe how POTUS behaves. I don't care what side you're on, there is nothing normal or healthy about that level of chaos, narc…

Its normal for human society- once the hardship sets in, the mammoth has been eaten, mean spiritness sets in. The truth is, we never managed to create a stable society in economical unstable conditions, so everytime people start to starve - the world falls apart.

Ironically even the counter-measures we come up with (Law & Order in a thousand variants/ various dreams of a big Swage elsewhere/Migration & New Beginnings elsewhere) only enhance and propel the problem of a tribe switching to a war-economy.

We are obviously in the process of finding various solutions. David Brins Panopticum of everyone. Permanent social records, that will not forget and will not be silent on your crimes, making you a social outcast for genocidre.

Cheap entertainment, that reduces the effect of social self-devaluation of unemployed citizens.

May we out-live this interesting times.

Re: Baltimore State Attorney Drops Dozens of Cases: Body Cam Shows Drug-Planting

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post #2

What's the incentive for cops to plant drugs on people? I assume they get some kind of bonus or have a performance review rating on how many "criminals" they apprehend?

Peter Moskos, a criminologist who spent a year on the Baltimore police force while doing his PhD, has a good post up about what happened -- http://www.copinthehood.com/2017/07/thats-quite-days-work.ht... It seems like the officer forgot to turn on his body camera while originally finding the drugs, and so rather than get reprimanded for forgetting to turn on the camera, he decided to recreate the crime scene and pret…

And this is why we'll never have meaningful police accountability and reform. Even being caught in the act, on video, of planting evidence someone will create an excuse for why what they did wasn't wrong. Sickening.
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