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Apple Removes Apps from China Store That Help Internet Users Evade Censorship

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Re: Apple Removes Apps from China Store That Help Internet Users Evade Censorship

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It's unclear that Xi cannot pull that off.

Well if he does that, then I would call him a dictator. But if he does not, I hope you would stop calling him that. Also, there was no precedence in PRC for such thing.

Mao was as close to a dictator as you can get.

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You get 10 days before your app stops working and you have to do it again. It's a real pain in the butt.

Where do you get that from? Creating app with your own dev account can run on your device for more than 10 days... [Update] ok I just checked the limitation of the free dev account, and yes because of certificates it is only valid for 7 days... I was thinking about the regular $$ account.

It is idiotic that you can't compile and install something on a device you own.

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UK is the surveillance capital of this planet [1]. PM May expressed readiness to "tear up Human Rights"[2]. UK is the enabler of Chinese CP leadership, not a follower. [1]: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/19/extreme-survei... [2]: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/06/theresa-may...

The UK has been a leader in developing internet censorship for over 20 years; it's never been just one party or government. When certain big network equipment companies (this was before Huawei cloned everything) responded to criticism for building the Great Firewall of China by saying they were only supplying off-the-shelf gear already in use in the West, they weren't lying.

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> It's so easy to claim the West shouldn't do what the leadership of China wants in China, but in reality the only alternative is to abandon China to those who will do what they are ordered to. That line of "reasoning" makes it a self-fulfilling prophecy, then. (It additionally feels ethically unsound to me; the "if I don't do it, someone else will, therefore it's okay" — no, it's still not okay. And that's what peop…

Is there no chance whatsoever that large American companies could influence the Chinese government by establishing a market presence and then threatening to leave / alter it? This is what they do in the the US. I know that China is usually happy to just start their own Google/Facebook/Amazon/Netflix, so perhaps I'm being naive. As much as I cringe at American companies kowtowing to oppressive governments, it seems li…

freedom of speech helps. where are grievances to this shitty policy aired to the govt by the public?

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What happens in China now could happen in 5 years in the rest of the world. For "security" reasons or "fight agains terrorism", while it's really a fight between those in power and those who want power :-( The need for IPFS, webRTC and other non-centralized protocols becomes more pressing every day, to defend everyone who is stuck in between.

> What happens in China now could happen in 5 years in the rest of the world. China? This has been happening in the US and Europe for years. Look how heavily censored all social media is now.

I understand that we all at HN know about the media censorship, but when you are trying to convince someone who disagrees, some evidence would be very useful.

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And yet using a VPN is still somehow "against the will of the people" ...

You'll notice the same usernames and patterns of argumentation every time there is an article with comments remotely criticizing (or even questioning) China.

Some quite interesting "opinions" on that ones comment history.

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Hey Timmy, what was all that talk about customer security? https://www.apple.com/customer-letter/ And here I was, almost believing you. You're a coward.

Bigot and maggot, social justice when in benefits him and his shaftmates, censorship for others.

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They could always do what Google did and abandon China.

Nah, they really can't. Apple's margins depend on Chinese labor to build their hardware. The two companies are very different.

They could stop operating in Saudi Arabia to show their support for gay rights. But again, there's money to be made. Much easier to just slam Trump or whoever.

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This post claims otherwise: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14880751

My point was you can side-load apps. As for that specific API even the official docs seem a bit confused: "Except when you use the NEHotspotHelper class, you do not need to obtain entitlements from Apple to use Network Extension classes. However, you still need to enable the Network Extension entitlement via the Developer portal."

My understanding is that you still need a developer certificate from apple which has a limited lifetime. So you're not given permanent control over your device in the sense of unshackling you from the manufacturer, which is a requirement for repairability.

They're merely handing out breadcrumbs to give the appearance of a way out which they can retract at any time.

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