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Robot cracks open safe live on Def Con's stage

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Re: Robot cracks open safe live on Def Con's stage

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Post by dmix »

donavanm wrote: post #21
p4lindromica wrote: post #7

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How do I find a UL-security-rated safe? Does it matter if I don't bolt it to the floor?

Depends on where you are. UL ratings are used in north america. There are similar EU ratings that I dont recall of hand. TL ratings are for theft/entry resistance. There are other modifiers for fire, water, chemical, etc resistance. Unrated "safes", and even some that are said to be rated, are junk. In NA you want to get in touch with a local safe dealer/specialist. Most of their business is commercial, and they are…

That video was much dirtier and louder than I expected. Lots of brute force still involved. Not quite the domain of out of shape hackers. But I guess that's why we build robots.

For anyone who wants a good safe cracking story, this book is excellent: https://www.amazon.com/Flawless-Inside-Largest-Diamond-Histo...

A group of Italians went to Belgium's diamond district and bypassed an very expensive vault door. The best part was using an aerosol can of hair spray attached to a broom to defeat the top of the line motion sensors.

Edit: Can anyone explain why it's a 30 minute test for UL 30x6?

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Post by ManuelKiessling »

aqzman wrote: post #50
throwaway76543 wrote: post #17

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A typical front door lock is considerably easier to defeat than the mechanism on one of these safes. Many can be opened in seconds with a bump key or other pick tools.

No kidding! I recently picked up lock picking as a hobby, and it really makes me realize just how insecure most locks really are. I'm a total beginner and I'm able to pick some locks in seconds.

I forgot who it was, but someone once said: "Door locks are not a protection against burglars - they are there to keep decent people decent".

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Post by toomuchtodo »

DiabloD3 wrote: post #38
yarg wrote: post #29

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Would fast and heavy internal gyros be a feasible alternative to bolting? I'm thinking that if the safe cannot be reoriented across all three axis, it'll be very hard to move.

And then I just cut the power to the building.

Police response is what, 6 minutes? Can you open the safe in 6 minutes after cutting the power? Probably not.

Re: Robot cracks open safe live on Def Con's stage

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Post by toomuchtodo »

cantrevealname wrote: post #40
p4lindromica wrote: post #24

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This leads me to believe that if I am renting an apartment, I am SOL.

> if I am renting an apartment, I am SOL Not at all! If you're renting in a high-rise building, the floors will be concrete below the laminate or hardwood. A good safe will have either 4 holes or 1 center hole in the base to allow you to anchor it to the floor. Use a concrete drill bit to drill a hole in your apartment floor in a discreet area, like in a closet or laundry room. If you can borrow a hammer drill it'll…

You're advocating damaging someone's property without their permission. Don't do that.

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Post by tiziano88 »

agumonkey wrote: post #69
slau wrote: post #64

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It probably would have been faster to apply tension to the lock, and then rotate the rows of digits until you find the "binder" (the one that the lock is resting on under tension). Once you have found the binder, rotate it until you feel the lock open slightly and the digit ring falls into the gate. The digit ring will move freely for about 1.5 digits until it starts to seize again. Repeat until you've found all the…

That's exactly what I did.

Then it should not have taken you 800 attempts?

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Post by CydeWeys »

0xbear wrote: post #16

Aren't there a whole bunch of videos on YouTube of kids opening these with not much more than a length of steel wire and primitive hand tools? You decidedly do not want a safe that's not UL listed.

The point is that this approach is general and scales to tougher safes, since they too must open to the correct combination, whereas the hand tools and steel wire approach doesn't scale up.

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Post by robk »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #55
aqzman wrote: post #50

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No kidding! I recently picked up lock picking as a hobby, and it really makes me realize just how insecure most locks really are. I'm a total beginner and I'm able to pick some locks in seconds.

Most regular houses I've lived in (in Australia) could be trivially and discretely broken in to with a jemmy bar (crowbar). My neighbour had his two jet skis stolen from his carport on a weekday, they were chained to a post. The auto shop across from my work had their delivery ute stolen from inside the building while six staff were an open door way away. I caught someone sitting in my car trying to start it with a s…

Is Tasmania that bad? This sounds like Detroit
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