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Apple Removes Apps from China Store That Help Internet Users Evade Censorship

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Re: Apple Removes Apps from China Store That Help Internet Users Evade Censorship

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Post by threeseed »

jahnu wrote: post #18
melling wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You either follow local laws or you leave. How did it work out for Google? Google took a stand and now they’re going back.

Parent didn't suggest otherwise. Maybe it's better, i.e. the right thing to do, to leave a market in an oppressive land? Personally I think more of Google for doing that.

Those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

The USA is hardly a shining example of a country the rest of the world should be following right now. It is doing plenty of oppressive things that many of us in the rest of world don't agree with e.g. Paris accord, incarceration rates, threats against the press.

I don't agree with what China is doing but the "right thing to do" is never so simple.

Re: Apple Removes Apps from China Store That Help Internet Users Evade Censorship

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Post by Oletros »

melling wrote: post #23
jahnu wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Parent didn't suggest otherwise. Maybe it's better, i.e. the right thing to do, to leave a market in an oppressive land? Personally I think more of Google for doing that.

Google went back to China. They have offices and employees. https://www.cnbc.com/2016/01/07/google-is-going-on-a-hiring-...

To my knowledge, there are no Google services in China.

Are search, gmail, Play Store, etc working?

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Post by saurik »

They also require a paid developer subscription to get access to the Network Extensions capability (needed to build a VPN protocol extension) in order to make sure people who develop these apps can't just provide IPA files for normal users in China to "sideload" using tools such as my Cydia Impactor.

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Post by fiblye »

libeclipse wrote: post #24

What a despicable joke of a country. And shame on Apple for aiding them while they made such a massive deal of user rights in the US.

In America, they're still free to openly complain about American policies. Try that in China and you'll be gone before the week is over and a state-sponsored company will take your place

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Post by marak830 »

microcolonel wrote: post #27
maxxxxx wrote: post #20

That's why corporations will never help against dictatorship. They may do it if it's convenient but in the end they will prioritize money over everything else and fall in line with dictatorships. Happened during the Nazi time, it's happening in China now.

> That's why corporations will never help against dictatorship. They may do it if it's convenient but in the end they will prioritize money over everything else and fall in line with dictatorships. Happened during the Nazi time, it's happening in China now. Well, if you want your government to be powerful enough to enforce laws against corporations, then corporations will not be powerful enough to defy your governmen…

Or perhaps corporations could have a little backbone. Perhaps in their mission statements say that they will prefer to lose profits if it means not trading in a country that performs (x)

Edit: (sametmax) I can't seem to reply - I think the chains too long ? Either way:

Doesn't that mean we should actually be a little upset ? Look I'm no sjw freaking out over everything, nor do I run around scrwing boycot, but perhaps just a little frustration and some constructive argument may lead someone to a better idea of how to handle/fox/or seeup with something.

God's know I don't have an answer, but it does worry me.

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Post by threeseed »

Drakim wrote: post #30
threeseed wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not appropriate. Apple is not directly killing people. And in this case they are simply following the law.

What if killing people is "following the law"? It's happened a few times in history. Or if that is too big a pill to swallow, what if collecting runaways is "following the law", when they are to be executed? What about monitoring communication for death penalty offenses? (speaking against the state)

Apple runs an App Store.

If they are ever in the situation where they are going to be responsible for killing millions of innocent people then yes let's make sure the stop doing that instead of blindly following the law.

Until then how about we stop with the Nazi references.

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