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Apple Removes Apps from China Store That Help Internet Users Evade Censorship

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Re: Apple Removes Apps from China Store That Help Internet Users Evade Censorship

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You either follow local laws or you leave. How did it work out for Google? Google took a stand and now they’re going back.

"I was just following orders..."

Not appropriate. Apple is not directly killing people.

And in this case they are simply following the law.

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What happens in China now could happen in 5 years in the rest of the world. For "security" reasons or "fight agains terrorism", while it's really a fight between those in power and those who want power :-( The need for IPFS, webRTC and other non-centralized protocols becomes more pressing every day, to defend everyone who is stuck in between.

As corps/IC agencies/.mil's around the world tighten the nooses around the population, it will only empower people to engage in similar behaviors.

Who's to say one can't technically compromise and take advantage of AmaGoogAppBookWeiTenUbtakte infrastructure and use it for any ends, in similar ways corps/IC's agencies/.mil's do for their ends?

After all its still hardware and software with flaws like anything else.

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You either follow local laws or you leave. How did it work out for Google? Google took a stand and now they’re going back.

Parent didn't suggest otherwise. Maybe it's better, i.e. the right thing to do, to leave a market in an oppressive land? Personally I think more of Google for doing that.

Google went back to China. They have offices and employees.

https://www.cnbc.com/2016/01/07/google-is-going-on-a-hiring-...

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They also require a paid developer subscription to get access to the Network Extensions capability (needed to build a VPN protocol extension) in order to make sure people who develop these apps can't just provide IPA files for normal users in China to "sideload" using tools such as my Cydia Impactor.

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What happens in China now could happen in 5 years in the rest of the world. For "security" reasons or "fight agains terrorism", while it's really a fight between those in power and those who want power :-( The need for IPFS, webRTC and other non-centralized protocols becomes more pressing every day, to defend everyone who is stuck in between.

Looks like I won't be owning any Apple products in 5 years then.

But they still have the built-in VPN client in iOS, don't they? As long as they don't block this particular feature in China, I don't see that as a big reason for panic.

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That's why corporations will never help against dictatorship. They may do it if it's convenient but in the end they will prioritize money over everything else and fall in line with dictatorships. Happened during the Nazi time, it's happening in China now.

> That's why corporations will never help against dictatorship. They may do it if it's convenient but in the end they will prioritize money over everything else and fall in line with dictatorships. Happened during the Nazi time, it's happening in China now.

Well, if you want your government to be powerful enough to enforce laws against corporations, then corporations will not be powerful enough to defy your government.

You can't keep your cake and eat it too.

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It's not very surprising considering that it's the local law and everyone will have to follow it or get out...

It isn't going to actually prevent anyone from tunneling past the great firewall of course, so it's more like a gesture than an actual effective decision from the government.

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"I was just following orders..."

Not appropriate. Apple is not directly killing people. And in this case they are simply following the law.

What if killing people is "following the law"? It's happened a few times in history.

Or if that is too big a pill to swallow, what if collecting runaways is "following the law", when they are to be executed?

What about monitoring communication for death penalty offenses? (speaking against the state)

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