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The difference between iPhone + Android: Great since day one

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Re: The difference between iPhone + Android: Great since day one

#81
I imagine a world where everybody would be forced to use a Newton, an Apple TV, a Mighty Mouse and an Apple keyboard...

Apple makes great phones and great computers but saying that everything they create is great from day one has gone too far on the fanboy dark side.

Re: The difference between iPhone + Android: Great since day one

#82
I'm not an Apple fanboy by any means or measure, but I can't help but agree with this post.

I had the original iPhone and every feature just worked from day one; I didn't need any updates or anything. And yes, I could live without cut and paste.

I now have Nexus One, and although I love and do not plan on going back to an iPhone at any point, I still think the iPhone is just a more complete, more polished phone. It's a perfect mass market device because 99% of the consumers do not care about tweaking their device or changing ROMs.

I had Ubuntu on my Dell Inspiron, but I have gotten my MBP back from a friend. MBP is better. Things work together better, and I don't need to tweak a million things or change themes. I just want to do my work.

Re: The difference between iPhone + Android: Great since day one

#84

can we get by a week in HN without fanboy posts?

to clarify some misconceptions of this post

1. great since day 1. Well no copy and paste for 2 years? and great since day 1. Contradictory?

2. Hold Different? Great since day 1?

3. Needs iTunes desktop software.

4. No external storage options.

5. No background (until pseudo support in os4, clearly not day 1)

6. no open app store.

the list is never ending really. i sure hope the poster realizes despite these significant shortcomings, he thinks the iphone is great since day 1

Re: The difference between iPhone + Android: Great since day one

#85

The hatred of linux on the desktop is terribly cliche, especially on a site targeted towards hackers. Linux on my desktop is the greatest development environment I've ever used, having played extensively with OSX and Windows as well. I can easily install new libraries and "apt-get source" allows me to tinker with existing software easily and immediately build and execute the results. All of the development environmen…

I can easily install new libraries and "apt-get source" allows me to tinker with existing software easily

you can do the same thing on a mac, in a elegant way, so what's the advantage to do it on linux ?

I use vim

you can also use vim in a elegant mac terminal, what's the point here ?

And stop comparing its competition negatively

who was doing that ?

Re: The difference between iPhone + Android: Great since day one

#86
I totally despise this article. It contradicts open-source philosophy completely. It falsely and stupidly implicates Linux. It compares two very different kinds of things. And I know lots of people who thought their Android phone was great on day one -- including myself. So what's the deal here? This is frustrating, horrible low-brow fanboyism

Re: The difference between iPhone + Android: Great since day one

#87
post #55

lots of why-is-this-here moments (the Droid’s keyboard, the Nexus One’s trackball) I see this sort of thing from reviews a lot. The Droid's keyboard is there because there are customers who want it. There are plenty of Android phones without them as well. It's perfectly reasonable that some people want a smaller and more sturdy phone, but I won't buy a smartphone without a real keyboard. The trackball is good for pos…

The trackball doubles as a handy-dandy notification light, too.

Re: The difference between iPhone + Android: Great since day one

#88
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, to be fair, the same guy also make stuff like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAOtC9QfXac

But why would you post it twice ? Also, I've yet to meet my first 'Android fanboy', but I've met plenty of Iphone fanboys in real life. I'm sure they exist but either not around here or they're not as much 'in your face' about it.

I've never met any Android fanboys yet either, but then I've never really met someone with an Android phone that liked it.

I've met a lot of people who've switched to Android (mostly by buying the Nexus One) and sold it within a week to go back to their iPhones though. I've met a few people who bought non-Nexus-One phones but didn't like them and wanted to switch.

It seems like in Vancouver, everyone either has a feature phone, a Blackberry, or an iPhone, except that one kid I saw on the bus with a Palm Pre.

Re: The difference between iPhone + Android: Great since day one

#89
post #75

A friend of mine lend me is iPod Touch. To get it working with Wifi or connect it to iTunes running on windows is a very painful process. I didn't had these problems (No need using the iTunes in the first place)with the G1, Motorola Droid, even my old N95. So what is so great?

I've never had issues getting iPod Touches or iPhones working on WiFi; likewise, connecting to iTunes has always been straightforward. What sort of issues were you having?

Re: The difference between iPhone + Android: Great since day one

#90
post #78

Someone is channeling their inner-John Gruber, apparently. The original iPhone had a mediocre display, a forgettable design, zero apps (and, contrary to the revisionism that is now the rage, had zero plans on every having apps at inception. Apple and AT&T saw apps as a unnecessary risk, and web apps were the only solution), a terrible back-facing camera (and no front facing camera, which in those early days was consi…

I think what Apple is doing usually, and I think that's one of the points Marco is making in the article, is that they only add features when they can get them working very well.

They didn't have a use for a front facing camera, or could make it easy enough to use, so they didn't include one. Now they have one because they were finally able to implement video chat in an easy to use way (Face Time).

They didn't have copy and paste until they figured out how to make it as elegant and easy to use as it is.

They didn't include 3G in the original iPhone because it would have affected battery life too much.

They only introduced the SDK once the API was in a usable state and they got the necessary documentation and infrastructure in place to support 3rd party developers.

Face Time currently only works on WiFi, but from what I read about it it actually works for Joe Average. On other phones you have to be a geek to figure out which software to install and how to set it up.

For some people it is certainly valuable to have barely working bleeding edge features on the phone, but for the 99% of users out there who're not interested in tinkering with their phone Apple's approach makes a lot more sense, IMO.

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