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The difference between iPhone + Android: Great since day one

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Re: The difference between iPhone + Android: Great since day one

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You know why people make stuff like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL7yD-0pqZg Because you can't just get an Android phone and use it and be happy with it. There's always some hipster or yuppie or desperate-to-be-cool nerd that'll start going on and on and on about how amazingly great their iPhone is, was and always will be and how they have taste which you, as a non-Jobs product buyer, obviously don't. A lot o…

Well, to be fair, the same guy also make stuff like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAOtC9QfXac

Re: The difference between iPhone + Android: Great since day one

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The hatred of linux on the desktop is terribly cliche, especially on a site targeted towards hackers. Linux on my desktop is the greatest development environment I've ever used, having played extensively with OSX and Windows as well. I can easily install new libraries and "apt-get source" allows me to tinker with existing software easily and immediately build and execute the results. All of the development environment is thoroughly documented.

But now, some influential people start saying how much better their version is. Specifically their closed, sealed-off, experience-driven version. Arguing "ease of use" and "shiny end user experience" rings really hollow to me. I use vim -- think I care about easy to use or shiny user experiences? -- and I use it because it's a powerful tool for its job. I just don't get it when hackers start telling other hackers that they should use a more restrictive environment because it'll make them feel better or is easier to use. Instead, ask yourself: is it the most powerful tool for the job?

So sure, tell your parents and siblings to buy an iPhone. Hell, use your iPhone for anything you can -- it's a fantastic device. But stop telling future developers that it's worth giving up control for rounded corners and subtle shadows. And stop comparing its competition negatively to an environment that I, and others, find superior to any other.

Re: The difference between iPhone + Android: Great since day one

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Re: the iphone and android points, i completely agree. Android will get there in time and it's a great alternative (before android it was BBos or symbian, yuck).

As far as linux desktop goes, it's more of an OEM problem. Ubuntu is getting really close to being consumer friendly. Even if it WERE 110% consumer friendly, there isn't even one OEM who produces a great linux machine. I'm not talking Dell loading it on one random machine or other guys like system76. Someone needs to step up and be the "apple of ubuntu/linux" (don't charge the high high premium though).

Re: The difference between iPhone + Android: Great since day one

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The Linux on the desktop comparison feels right to me for a variety of reasons but there are two important differences that create a more level playing field: 1) Android comes preinstalled on the devices 2) People don't expect 10-15 years of legacy compatibility from SmartPhones. When you erase those two barriers there's a lot more room for choice.

Re: The difference between iPhone + Android: Great since day one

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post #6

I've always admired some of the things marco writes about, this is not one of them. While article is a depressingly one-sided article (marco's prerogative, totally fine with me), he misses a very big point, that for the sake of full disclosure should at least be expounded upon beyond a dry-wit analogy to Desktop Linux. Android and iOS are moving in two different directions, and have benefits for two different crowds.…

I agree with everything, but couldn't disagree more strongly with the notion that they shouldn't be compared to each other. Big picture, it's MS, RIM, Apple, and Google in the smartphone market. It's undeniable that they will be compared in reviews, in consumers' minds, in businesses' when deciding which platform to go with internally.

Re: The difference between iPhone + Android: Great since day one

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Just because iPhone doesn't have a physical keyboard - doesn't make physical keyboards evil. Similar logic for trackball.

I have tried using physical keyboard on Blackberry and I felt pretty comfortable. I bet other manufacturers would come out with better physical keyboards. My flatmate has a Thinkpad with a trackball. Initially it was pretty tough to control it. Trackball and physical keyboard isn't bad just because I think it's bad.

So much from a Tumblr lead dev! I expected better.

Re: The difference between iPhone + Android: Great since day one

#28

You know why people make stuff like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL7yD-0pqZg Because you can't just get an Android phone and use it and be happy with it. There's always some hipster or yuppie or desperate-to-be-cool nerd that'll start going on and on and on about how amazingly great their iPhone is, was and always will be and how they have taste which you, as a non-Jobs product buyer, obviously don't. A lot o…

> Because you can't just get an Android phone and use it and be happy with it. There's always some hipster or yuppie or desperate-to-be-cool nerd that'll start going on and on and on about how amazingly great their iPhone is, was and always will be and how they have taste which you, as a non-Jobs product buyer, obviously don't.

This should only be a problem if your happiness completely depends on seeking validation from others.

Re: The difference between iPhone + Android: Great since day one

#30

You know why people make stuff like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL7yD-0pqZg Because you can't just get an Android phone and use it and be happy with it. There's always some hipster or yuppie or desperate-to-be-cool nerd that'll start going on and on and on about how amazingly great their iPhone is, was and always will be and how they have taste which you, as a non-Jobs product buyer, obviously don't. A lot o…

You know why people make stuff like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAOtC9QfXac

Because you can't just get an iPhone and use it and be happy with it. There's always some hipster or yuppie or desperate-to-be-cool nerd that'll start going on and on and on about how amazingly great their Android is, was and always will be and how they have features which you, as a Jobs product buyer, obviously don't. A lot of people like me switched from the Android to iPhone because we like it better, get over it. Also, there'll be more people that like and use iOS than Android, get over that as well.

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Transcribes quite nice to iPhone too, don't you think? What you have explained is the concept of fanboy, which I believe both exists in the iPhone and Android community.

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