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Re: Ravens OL John Urschel, 26, retires abruptly, two days after CTE study

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Post by marchenko »

kelnos wrote: post #287
marchenko wrote: post #251

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It's a bit of a strange prediction. If we take boxing as a model of a formerly massively-popular sport now considered excessively dangerous, we can observe that minority (Latino and African-American) participation remains high. These demographics are generally not considered part of the Red Tribe coalition. If football follows the same trend, it will be a weak tribal correlate at best.

Not trying to argue, but just curious: was boxing as big as football is now in the US? I'm not much into sports in general, and I wasn't around when boxing was big (or just completely missed it), so I'm lacking context.

Boxing was the football of the 1920s, with saturation radio and newspaper coverage, and became the top sport of the early broadcast TV era. It has been declared dead or dying at regular intervals despite being a solid performer into the pay-per-view era. Like football, it would probably be somewhat safer if its "protective" gear was reduced or redesigned.

Re: Ravens OL John Urschel, 26, retires abruptly, two days after CTE study

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Post by beambot »

fgonzag wrote: post #235
maxxxxx wrote: post #223

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"Over three years he "only" earned ~$1.8m http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/baltimore-ravens/john-urschel-145... . - which after tax is 7 figures but still not a lot" For a lot of us this would be FU money if you don't have the desire to live big. Plus he gets the pension.

At least in the USA it is in no way FU money unless you are over 60 or something. Assuming you invested it all and didn't spend a single cent, that's 12K a year from interest (generous 7%). You can probably spend 30-40K for 30 years if you decide to dip into the principal. But if you are young, you will have to get a main income source.

Some serious math errors here if you think 7% of $1.8M is only $12k / yr. (Even accounting for taxes.)

Re: Ravens OL John Urschel, 26, retires abruptly, two days after CTE study

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Post by secabeen »

marme wrote: post #227
ChuckMcM wrote: post #184

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That is the secret to happiness as far as I am concerned; measure your days by how much you've learned not by how much you have earned. Interesting to know about the retirement 'vest' of 3 years. If he lives another 60 years that is a bit more than $1.25M.

nfl players cant start collecting that pension until they are 55

And they don't get the full value ($22k adjusted for inflation) unless they wait until 62 to start taking benefits.

Re: Ravens OL John Urschel, 26, retires abruptly, two days after CTE study

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Post by camiller »

kelnos wrote: post #291
camiller wrote: post #264

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Unfortunately n, in this paper, doesn't seem to mean sample size like you would expect in statistics. It is an extrapolated number of concussions nationwide based on a study of 100 high schools.

That still doesn't mean you can just add the percentages. You cannot determine the percent of boys+girls soccer head injuries without knowing the sample sizes. Or, if you can figure out the relative difference between the number of boys and girls who play soccer, you can do a weighted average of the percentages. Either way, adding the percentages is completely incorrect. EDIT: http://www.usyouthsoccer.org/media_kit/k…

per the source material there were a total (extrapolated) of 135901 concussions across the 9 sports studied.

55007 for football - 40.5% of 135901

20929 for boys soccer - 15.4% of 135901

29167 for girls soccer - 21.5% of 135901

50096 combined soccer

50096/135901 = 36.9% of all concussions were from soccer.

Re: Ravens OL John Urschel, 26, retires abruptly, two days after CTE study

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Post by tootie »

aresant wrote: post #65

A few colorful facts to the story here: 1) 3 years of service vests into NFL pension plan, he just hit qualification - value pegged at $21,360 a year for life (3) 2) He has not publicly commented on his retirement or reasons for it. 3) He has a hugely awesome secondary option - doctorate of math at MIT 4) He was at end of his rookie contract, next year would be the "in the money" year for him so he is clearly leaving…

He also did at least one commercial for headphones. Endorsement deals are frequently worth more than player contracts.

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Post by ljf »

sillysaurus3 wrote: post #210
ChuckMcM wrote: post #184

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That is the secret to happiness as far as I am concerned; measure your days by how much you've learned not by how much you have earned. Interesting to know about the retirement 'vest' of 3 years. If he lives another 60 years that is a bit more than $1.25M.

That is the secret to happiness as far as I am concerned; measure your days by how much you've learned not by how much you have earned. Yet the vast majority of the time, this sentiment comes from people who are well-off, e.g. someone with an MIT PhD and an almost impossible-to-screw-up future. There are at least two possibilities. Either people who aren't well-off are just sour grapes, or they deal with a lot more t…

The vast majority of time you /hear/ it from people who are well off, as they are the ones who have their lives written about. There are plenty of happy, non famous/rich people. I should know ;)

Re: Ravens OL John Urschel, 26, retires abruptly, two days after CTE study

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Post by [deleted] »

sillysaurus3 wrote: post #210
ChuckMcM wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is the secret to happiness as far as I am concerned; measure your days by how much you've learned not by how much you have earned. Interesting to know about the retirement 'vest' of 3 years. If he lives another 60 years that is a bit more than $1.25M.

That is the secret to happiness as far as I am concerned; measure your days by how much you've learned not by how much you have earned. Yet the vast majority of the time, this sentiment comes from people who are well-off, e.g. someone with an MIT PhD and an almost impossible-to-screw-up future. There are at least two possibilities. Either people who aren't well-off are just sour grapes, or they deal with a lot more t…

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Re: Ravens OL John Urschel, 26, retires abruptly, two days after CTE study

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Post by ljf »

nikofeyn wrote: post #191
brandall10 wrote: post #147

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It's worth reading his 2015 article "Why I Still Play Football": https://www.theplayerstribune.com/why-i-play-football/ . Regarding mathematics as a career and his outlook on the financial issue - "I have a bright career ahead of me in mathematics. Beyond that, I have the means to make a good living and provide for my family, without playing football. I have no desire to try to accumulate $10 million in the bank; I a…

> "i ... live on less than $25k a year." there's no way i can believe that. my rent alone is $24,000.

Check out https://www.mrmoneymustache.com/ lives a very comfortable life on a low amount (though he's damn rich now even if he doesn't spend it)

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Post by slantyyz »

bearcobra wrote: post #36
wyager wrote: post #22

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The primary difference, of course, is that NFL players often make more money than God.

The average career earnings for an NFL player is somewhere around $5 million. That's a lot of money, but I'd argue it isn't a crazy amount to make over an entire career while in the top 1% of the field.

>> The average career earnings for an NFL player is somewhere around $5 million.

Is that before paying management/agency fees + taxes, or after?

Re: Ravens OL John Urschel, 26, retires abruptly, two days after CTE study

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Post by ljf »

gist wrote: post #237
claystu wrote: post #226

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I believe it. If he owns everything free and clear--I'm betting he does--and he avoids big purchases and fancy trips, he can basically get by on purchasing nothing but food, electricity, phone, and gas. Tack on some clothes and reasonable eating out, and you can live well on $25,000 per year. Everything else was probably paid for by the team.

> If he owns everything free and clear So ok say he owns his house. You still have property taxes (in some places can run from 1 to 4% of property value) upkeep family costs and so on. > and you can live well on $25,000 per year Not with a family. Not in a safe area or what most would consider a 'nice' area.

Really? https://www.mrmoneymustache.com/ seems to do OK with him, his wife and his child living on a similar amount.
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