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Re: Swedish Government Scrambles to Contain Damage from Data Breach

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Post by sgt101 »

rhblake wrote: post #34
depressedpanda wrote: post #25

Here's a summary of what foreign powers got access to: - identities of undercover operatives - personal identity data of everyone with a driver's licence - people with protected identities - location of all army vehicles - money transport vehicles - classified infrastructure information Even worse: when they realized they'd leaked photos, home addresses and SSNs of protected identities, they sent a clear text email a…

Well, she was also fired (finally) and her career is finished. I agree it was monumentally stupid. But "punished as high treason"? Treason requires intent. She most certainly did not intend to be criminally disloyal to the country. Merely being ignorant and incompetent is not treason. This is a major fuckup but let's be real. Our country is a "joke"? I know complaining is a national sport in Sweden, much like in many…

Being ignorant and incompetent and taking a job that your national security depends on that you can't do is treason in my book.

I like Sweden, but the "on the whole, things in general" is a dangerous theme. Real problems and injustice exist in the margins and long tails, typically these can be fixed at manageable cost but not if they are ignored.

Re: Swedish Government Scrambles to Contain Damage from Data Breach

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Post by raverbashing »

Hasknewbie wrote: post #71
beagle3 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please note, though, that the snopes link only refutes a specific picture used as evidence, and only gives statistics with respect to Syrian refugees - which are probably the more (perhaps only) deserving of "refugee" status by UN definitions - so it does not, in fact, disprove that "most refugees are single adult males" - and in fact - especially in Sweden - they are. I quote from [0] which links to primary sources,…

>> the snopes link only refutes a specific picture The article provides statistics as recent as 2016. It does more than refute a single picture. >> Syrian refugees - which are probably the more (perhaps only) deserving of "refugee" status Just off the top of my head: Eritrea, Lybia, Western Iraq, Burma. And that's not counting locally displaced refugees who don't reach Western shores (Burundi, Nigeria, Yemen). Regard…

"unaccompanied minors" the ones that claim to be 17y.o. when they can get away with it?

Re: Swedish Government Scrambles to Contain Damage from Data Breach

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Post by BLanen »

depressedpanda wrote: post #25

Here's a summary of what foreign powers got access to: - identities of undercover operatives - personal identity data of everyone with a driver's licence - people with protected identities - location of all army vehicles - money transport vehicles - classified infrastructure information Even worse: when they realized they'd leaked photos, home addresses and SSNs of protected identities, they sent a clear text email a…

This happens in every country in the world. Don't act like you're a special case.

Re: Swedish Government Scrambles to Contain Damage from Data Breach

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Post by Yetanfou »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #38
Yetanfou wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is more than odd and it will only serve to steer more voters to the Sweden Democrats (SD). For those not totally in tune with Swedish politics, the current government (S - social democrats - and MP - Miljöpartiet, 'environmental party') more or less stumbled right out of the starting blocks as the opposition voted down their budget. This would normally have ended with a resignation followed by a new formation atte…

> Sweden Democrats (SD) For those not following the rich drama that is Swedish politics: "Sweden Democrats or Swedish Democrats (Swedish: Sverigedemokraterna, SD) is a nationalist political party in Sweden that was founded in 1988. The party describes itself as social conservative with a nationalist foundation, however the party has been described as far-right, right-wing populist, national-conservative, and anti-imm…

Sweden as a country has a history with extremism, 'Nordic' nationalism and national-socialism, this includes nearly all parties from all sides. The social democrats (S) were in cahoots with the nazi-regime in Germany in the second world war and agreed with parts of their ideology. That this started long before before the war is clear when looking at e.g. the founding date of the Swedish State Institute for Racial Biology by a social democrat and a farmers union leader in 1922 [1]. It was on a proposal from Sweden and Switzerland that nazi-Germany started stamping passports with a red "J" to indicate that the carrier was considered to be Jewish, the stated reason being that this made it easier to refuse those people access to those countries.

These nationalist and extremist tendencies did not die with the end of Nazism either. The social democrats also have a murky past when it comes to relations with e.g. the DDR (German Democratic Republic, i.e. eastern-Germany) and other communist regimes. With the rise of Olof Palme and his followers the social democrats, and with that Sweden turned away from Nordic nationalism and instead went the diametrically opposite direction - another example of the Swedish tendency to go for extremes. Palme was impressed by what he considered to be the "success" of the DDR and spoke in praise of their "successes" without any mention of the way they treated those who did not follow the party line. He also admired Fidel Castro's Cuba and other similar countries.

This fascination with political extremes continues to this day, an example of which is the left-wing "Researchgruppen" (research group). This is a left-wing NGO intelligence service which proudly considers itself to be "the Swedish Stasi" [2]. Like the original Stasi (Ministerium für Staatssicherheit, the east-German intelligence service which kept records on millions of people and had informants spread throughout the population) they keep a database of people with 'dissenting' political views, most of the contents of which comes from burglary. This "research group" works together with the left-wing magazine "Expo" which had and has several prominent social democrats in their leadership.

In the second world war Sweden used the motto "en svensk tiger" (which means both "a Swedish tiger" and "a swede keeps silent") to remind the populace to secrecy. This term can equally well be applied to the attitude within the social democratic party and for that matter the communist/'left' party which has a history of its own worth revealing. Swedish social democrats like to see themselves as shining beacons of solidarity and openness. They'd do well to do some research into their past to try to avoid past mistakes.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statens_institut_f%C3%B6r_rasb...

[2] https://www.dagenssamhalle.se/sites/default/files/archiveima...

[*] https://www.dagenssamhalle.se/nyhet/granskare-som-inte-tal-e...

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/En_svensk_tiger

Re: Swedish Government Scrambles to Contain Damage from Data Breach

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Post by Hasknewbie »

rimliu wrote: post #64
Hasknewbie wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TL;DR: Link is to a rambling blog article about a perceived slight (moving money from a 'foreign aid' budget to a 'refugees' one) that will have an unsubstantiated outcome (Sweden will accept only male refugees in the country), apparently based on a well-known falsehood ("most refugees are single adult males" [1]). Blog has articles such as "Sweden should have guns like Texas because ISIS!". Blog author is not Swedis…

Care to show data about Sweden for 2016? Because your first link talks only about Syrian refugees and only a fraction ( > as of 16 March 2016 they had recorded nearly 5 million registered > Syrian refugees: 2.1 million of them in Egypt, Iraq, Jordan and > Lebanon, another 1.9 million in Turkey, and more than 28,000 in > North Africa. Go see http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/... and "well-kno…

I don't have any, as said in my reply to beagle3, I was commenting on an article that was making claims about Sweden without showing data. And the data I found, which is more general, does contradict his claim.

Regarding the refugees entering Europe: initially something like 90% of refugees were in Turkey/Lebanon/Jordan, but the camps there started to crumble under the demographic pressure and lack of funds, and people started a westward migration. Most people arriving in Greece are in fact coming out of Turkish refugee camps, as far as I know. So Europe saw its number of refugees double from 10 to 20% in pretty much one year, and it's not really known if the deal with Turkey will stabilize this number.

Your source is better than mine and does show an imbalance in the adult demographics applying for refugee status in Europe, but it is still lacking enough details to support a "single adult males storming the gate" hypothesis: according to the Snopes article most "entering-the-EU-as-single" male refugees are married or part of a family but cross over to Europe alone to apply for the status and then bring their family in later, officially and through non shady/dangerous routes. It makes sense that they would temporarily leave their family in the relative safety of established camps, and the fact that there is no male-leaning imbalance in the overall refugee population supports this. I can't find the source for this but in general "unmarried/alone young adult males" represent a small amount of the overall refugee population [1].

I will also point out again that refugees are in fact "applicants", and once accepted do not choose in what country they end up. If Sweden ends up with a disproportionate number of young men, it will be because of a policy decision, not because they walked in a settled there. Case in point: Canada is taking in plenty of refugees, but not unmarried adult men: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/24/canada-exclusi...

[1] There is this piece by Samantha Bee: https://youtu.be/na7pFnoLxjw?t=3m6s saying it's about 2%, but it's about the US and they provide no source, and I suspect a refugee expert being interviewed on a liberal show will not be accepted by some.

Re: Swedish Government Scrambles to Contain Damage from Data Breach

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Post by Hasknewbie »

raverbashing wrote: post #83
Hasknewbie wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> the snopes link only refutes a specific picture The article provides statistics as recent as 2016. It does more than refute a single picture. >> Syrian refugees - which are probably the more (perhaps only) deserving of "refugee" status Just off the top of my head: Eritrea, Lybia, Western Iraq, Burma. And that's not counting locally displaced refugees who don't reach Western shores (Burundi, Nigeria, Yemen). Regard…

"unaccompanied minors" the ones that claim to be 17y.o. when they can get away with it?

I'm sure an overwhelming number of unaccompanied minor refugees are in fact adults claiming to be 17. /s

Re: Swedish Government Scrambles to Contain Damage from Data Breach

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Post by xlocicicig »

depressedpanda wrote: post #25

Here's a summary of what foreign powers got access to: - identities of undercover operatives - personal identity data of everyone with a driver's licence - people with protected identities - location of all army vehicles - money transport vehicles - classified infrastructure information Even worse: when they realized they'd leaked photos, home addresses and SSNs of protected identities, they sent a clear text email a…

Now, how do you fit feminism into this plot?

Re: Swedish Government Scrambles to Contain Damage from Data Breach

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Post by beagle3 »

Hasknewbie wrote: post #71
beagle3 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please note, though, that the snopes link only refutes a specific picture used as evidence, and only gives statistics with respect to Syrian refugees - which are probably the more (perhaps only) deserving of "refugee" status by UN definitions - so it does not, in fact, disprove that "most refugees are single adult males" - and in fact - especially in Sweden - they are. I quote from [0] which links to primary sources,…

>> the snopes link only refutes a specific picture The article provides statistics as recent as 2016. It does more than refute a single picture. >> Syrian refugees - which are probably the more (perhaps only) deserving of "refugee" status Just off the top of my head: Eritrea, Lybia, Western Iraq, Burma. And that's not counting locally displaced refugees who don't reach Western shores (Burundi, Nigeria, Yemen). Regard…

I am on mobile now, can't google efficiently, and the statistics here are lacking either way, but Swedish policy is to accept anyone who claims their are a minor and has no documents to prove otherwise - as a result, young people lose their docs and claim to be less than 18.

This was made widely public when a 23-year old who got asylum as a 17-year old killed a social worker at the asylum about a year ago, and investigation showed that at least 10% of "minor" asylum seekers at that place were above 20. Google may give you more details.

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