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Re: Swedish Government Scrambles to Contain Damage from Data Breach

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Post by pop7 »

staticelf wrote: post #49

The biggest problem with this story is not that it happened, it is that it could happen again. IT issues is heavily underestimated in government agencies and corporations [1], viewed like it' nothing important. The same goes for politicians, they don't give so much attention to IT at all. The problem is of course lack of knowledge. They don't understand how important it is and that it is one of societies most critica…

Our leaders have no incentives to solve these problems. Most of the leadership class today get to their positions not by trying to address any such problems. The skills they pick up along the way have nothing to do with what's reqd in these cases.

Re: Swedish Government Scrambles to Contain Damage from Data Breach

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Post by pop7 »

depressedpanda wrote: post #25

Here's a summary of what foreign powers got access to: - identities of undercover operatives - personal identity data of everyone with a driver's licence - people with protected identities - location of all army vehicles - money transport vehicles - classified infrastructure information Even worse: when they realized they'd leaked photos, home addresses and SSNs of protected identities, they sent a clear text email a…

Incompetence has no nationality

Re: Swedish Government Scrambles to Contain Damage from Data Breach

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Post by Entalpi »

staticelf wrote: post #46
maaaats wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you say "refugees" in quotes and "so called refugees"?

Most likely because they are coming through Denmark and is not really fleeing from war anymore.

Sounds like you know how it is like leaving your country and tranversing the whole European contintent.

Tell us when do you stop fleeing and merely running away from war?

Re: Swedish Government Scrambles to Contain Damage from Data Breach

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Post by beagle3 »

Hasknewbie wrote: post #42
jjawssd wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://acidmuncher.wordpress.com/2017/02/08/feminist-trump-...

TL;DR: Link is to a rambling blog article about a perceived slight (moving money from a 'foreign aid' budget to a 'refugees' one) that will have an unsubstantiated outcome (Sweden will accept only male refugees in the country), apparently based on a well-known falsehood ("most refugees are single adult males" [1]). Blog has articles such as "Sweden should have guns like Texas because ISIS!". Blog author is not Swedis…

Please note, though, that the snopes link only refutes a specific picture used as evidence, and only gives statistics with respect to Syrian refugees - which are probably the more (perhaps only) deserving of "refugee" status by UN definitions - so it does not, in fact, disprove that "most refugees are single adult males" - and in fact - especially in Sweden - they are.

I quote from [0] which links to primary sources, including the swedish immigration authorities (which I cannot confirm because I can't read swedish):

""" According to Swedish government statistics, as of the end of November, 71 percent of all applicants for asylum to Sweden in 2015 were male. More than 21 percent of all migrants to Sweden were classified as unaccompanied minors, representing more than half of all minor migrants to the country. For accompanied minors, the sex ratio was about 1.16 boys for every one girl. But for unaccompanied minors, the ratio was 11.3 boys for every one girl. In other words, the Swedish case confirms IOM’s statistic that more than 90 percent of unaccompanied minors are male. Indeed, on average, approximately 90 unaccompanied boys entered Sweden every single day in 2015, compared with eight unaccompanied girls. """

[0] http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/01/europe-refuge...

Re: Swedish Government Scrambles to Contain Damage from Data Breach

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Post by reitanqild »

rhblake wrote: post #34
depressedpanda wrote: post #25

Here's a summary of what foreign powers got access to: - identities of undercover operatives - personal identity data of everyone with a driver's licence - people with protected identities - location of all army vehicles - money transport vehicles - classified infrastructure information Even worse: when they realized they'd leaked photos, home addresses and SSNs of protected identities, they sent a clear text email a…

Well, she was also fired (finally) and her career is finished. I agree it was monumentally stupid. But "punished as high treason"? Treason requires intent. She most certainly did not intend to be criminally disloyal to the country. Merely being ignorant and incompetent is not treason. This is a major fuckup but let's be real. Our country is a "joke"? I know complaining is a national sport in Sweden, much like in many…

Agree, your country is not a joke.

It is a whole lot better than a lot of other places and I'd hope it would stay that way.

Re: Swedish Government Scrambles to Contain Damage from Data Breach

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Post by beagle3 »

maaaats wrote: post #36
azm1 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't understand the connection between the two. Do you mean the financial considerations? Yep.They try to save money on the most crucial part of every country and yet they spent vast amounts on so called refugees.It does not make any sense to me..

Why do you say "refugees" in quotes and "so called refugees"?

The UN convention on refugees is that a person MUST seek refugee status in the first non-war location they set foot on.

Whether or not this convention/policy makes sense is a different matter (it was not conceived of for the mass migrations we are seeing now), but technically speaking, these people stop being refugees when they leave the first peaceful state they are in. And practically, they are shopping for benefits -- why settle for Denmark which forces you to integrate, when you can get to Sweden and only integrate if you want to? Why settle for Greece or Turkey, where you get safety in a refugee camp, when you can go to Germany and get safety and help among the local's preferred residence?

I do not fault these people for trying to get the best for themselves - I'm not sure I'd have acted differently in their place - but the word "refugees" has very specific legal meaning, both locally and internationally, and therefore "so called refugees" is technically correct, because these people are not refugees by international conventions and definitions.

Re: Swedish Government Scrambles to Contain Damage from Data Breach

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Post by beagle3 »

maaaats wrote: post #50
staticelf wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most likely because they are coming through Denmark and is not really fleeing from war anymore.

That just moves the goalpost though. Denmark could say the same to Germany, and they to southern countries. Should the beach-cities of Italy carry all the responsibility? Should we in Norway not help humanity, because there are some other borders between us and the problems? (Not aiming this at you)

No, it doesn't just move the goal posts - international law does make the first peaceful ground different by being the place a refugee needs to settle their status first.

The refugee infrastructure in Italy (and Turkey, and Greece, and Jordan) is stretched thin and breaking, as this law was not written for the current situation. And as a result, Italy asked for help, did not receive it, and is now threatening to use a loophole to grant every refugee seeker some EU status that would make them effectively pan-european refugees -- but that has not happened yet.

Assuming you are norweigan -- didn't Norway recently threaten closing the Swedish border if Sweden doesn't reign on their refugee situation and stop them from crossing to norway?[0] Not sure if this speisa is reliable, remember reading it in a reputible source but can't find one right now on Google.

[0] http://speisa.com/modules/articles/index.php/item.1917/migra...

Re: Swedish Government Scrambles to Contain Damage from Data Breach

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Post by staticelf »

maaaats wrote: post #50
staticelf wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most likely because they are coming through Denmark and is not really fleeing from war anymore.

That just moves the goalpost though. Denmark could say the same to Germany, and they to southern countries. Should the beach-cities of Italy carry all the responsibility? Should we in Norway not help humanity, because there are some other borders between us and the problems? (Not aiming this at you)

I think we should help, but compared to capita Sweden has been carrying most of the burden for a war we have no stake in and for us it is a huge economical loss to host all these people here. Many will probably never have a job in Sweden.

Then it's the security issue, there is no background checks in Sweden. They could be literally mass murderers and IS-fighters and we would have no idea. Then there is this age issue. In Sweden they throw away their papers and say that they are underage when they are clearly sometimes around 30. Then they go to school with real boys and girls and shit like this happens: http://www5.idrottonline.se/globalassets/gefle-if-fif---frii...

It is time for Sweden to stop accepting refugees. I think very few people in Sweden are against immigration, just irresposible immigration.

Re: Swedish Government Scrambles to Contain Damage from Data Breach

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Post by staticelf »

Entalpi wrote: post #53
staticelf wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most likely because they are coming through Denmark and is not really fleeing from war anymore.

Sounds like you know how it is like leaving your country and tranversing the whole European contintent. Tell us when do you stop fleeing and merely running away from war?

Huh? You stop fleeing from war when you get to a nation that is in peace. Then, you head for Sweden to get free money from the government for the rest of your life.

Re: Swedish Government Scrambles to Contain Damage from Data Breach

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Post by solnyshok »

staticelf wrote: post #41
rhblake wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, she was also fired (finally) and her career is finished. I agree it was monumentally stupid. But "punished as high treason"? Treason requires intent. She most certainly did not intend to be criminally disloyal to the country. Merely being ignorant and incompetent is not treason. This is a major fuckup but let's be real. Our country is a "joke"? I know complaining is a national sport in Sweden, much like in many…

Wait what? She knew that was a possibility and that it is highly illegal and still she went through with it. I would say that is having intent if anything. I love my country but I think she should be punished a lot harder. Arkebusering på slottsgården. But since that will never happen, 12 years in jail is probably enough.

for those who does not speak swedish (like me). google translate says "firing squad in the courtyard"
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