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Lawsuit: Sexual harassment ‘victim’ was San Francisco business rival in disguise

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Re: Lawsuit: Sexual harassment ‘victim’ was San Francisco business rival in disguise

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Post by Jaylyn_ »

InclinedPlane wrote: post #74
maruhan2 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Still wrong. The onus is on the person with more authority, power, or privilege. There is a responsibility to educate yourself if you are in such a position (and most men are, in some way or another, in the tech industry). It's 2017, there's no excuse for being ignorant any more. If you're a "flirty" person, for example, that's fine, but you need to go the extra mile to make people feel safe. Be on the lookout for no…

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Re: Lawsuit: Sexual harassment ‘victim’ was San Francisco business rival in disguise

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Post by likelynew »

strathmeyer wrote: post #49
mbesto wrote: post #16

That's right, no one would ever abuse an online system for blacklisting VCs accused of sexual harassment...smh https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14773434

LOL a leader of YC once threatened to ruin my career and prevent me from ever being hired because of a comment I made on an article that was linked here. Now I know why.

You commented on HN? If this is true, it sounds like a major breach of privacy here.

Re: Lawsuit: Sexual harassment ‘victim’ was San Francisco business rival in disguise

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Post by Dude2018 »

thereare5lights wrote: post #48
wand3r wrote: post #36

This world is getting so fucked up. We can't crucify people for "hitting on" or other somewhat tame behavior because we have nothing left to throw at the real offenders. Conversely, people benefit on both sides of the equation; using sex to their advantage or weaponizing allegations like this. Sexual assualt is REAL and should be punished. We need to focus on a balance between being human and being a predator. People…

Oh stop spewing bs about sexual harassment as "hitting on" people. The accusations against the VCs McClure and Pollock involved groping or worse.

What about using lipstick to emulate sexual arousal? Why did they use make up doing business?

Re: Lawsuit: Sexual harassment ‘victim’ was San Francisco business rival in disguise

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Post by Dude2018 »

AlexCoventry wrote: post #66
microcolonel wrote: post #28

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Yeah, they're basically industrial-scale defamation without recourse, trial, or evidence. From a game-theoretic perspective, you would be wrong not to take advantage of it to burn your competitors. If it hasn't dawned on you, this is a political strategy, not a tool for the downtrodden. I have quite literally heard people talking about these things as "the way we'll close the gender participation gap", as in, they'll…

> have quite literally heard people talking about these things as "the way we'll close the gender participation gap", as in, they'll burn men's careers until things equal out. Where? Any transcripts/ video?

Are transcripts/video necessary for sexual harassment accusation?

Re: Lawsuit: Sexual harassment ‘victim’ was San Francisco business rival in disguise

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Post by xor1 »

jpttsn wrote: post #68
Pica_soO wrote: post #51

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If you accuse somebody of a crime s/he didnt commit- and it comes out, you should suffer the same sentence - circumstances of the person you accused would have received as sentence.

Sounds like eye-for-an-eye logic. Why the same? Also, just for rape, or for any crime? If I falsely accuse the President of treason, and he is found innocent, should I be convicted of treason?

False accusers are harming real victims, too.

>If I falsely accuse the President of treason, and he is found innocent, should I be convicted of treason?

Please go into detail in regards to how this hypothetical scenario would unfold. I can't wait to hear your explanation for how some random person accusing the President of treason could possibly lead to any sort of trial.

Re: Lawsuit: Sexual harassment ‘victim’ was San Francisco business rival in disguise

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Post by int_19h »

adjkant wrote: post #58
tepidandroid wrote: post #19

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Careful with that kind if talk here. In this kind of social political climate logic does not always prevail. Just go look at some past HN threads regarding sexual harassment. The sheer number of people who react emotionally to allegations of sexual harassment is truly astounding. All rationality goes out the window with men throwing themselves over each other to proclaim "I BELIEVE YOU" instead of asking for the leas…

This is a huge straw man if I've ever seen one (and present in many other posts on this thread). To act as if there isn't any logic in the opposing side isn't going to get anywhere. Because of the very nature of sexual assault, providing evidence up to the standards of the US criminal legal system is very hard to do. It likely means that more harassers get off and very few get wrongful sentences. The logic in support…

> and put away few/none non-guilty people given the rarity of false accusations with evidence that would say, pass a 50/50 guilt test.

We're already putting away non-guilty people, and we know about it - check out Innocence Project some time. So lowering those standards is guaranteed to increase that number.

A huge problem is that in US, the prosecutors have a lot of incentives to pursue convictions regardless of actual guilt or innocence. If you give them a tool to convict more people, they will use it, because more convictions look good on their resume. And in many cases, the minority demographics are the ones disproportionally targeted. So, until the problem with prosecutorial misconduct is fixed, I don't think it's the right time to talk about making it easier to imprison people.

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Re: Lawsuit: Sexual harassment ‘victim’ was San Francisco business rival in disguise

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Post by marchenko »

Dude2018 wrote: post #84
thereare5lights wrote: post #48

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Oh stop spewing bs about sexual harassment as "hitting on" people. The accusations against the VCs McClure and Pollock involved groping or worse.

What about using lipstick to emulate sexual arousal? Why did they use make up doing business?

Perhaps these lipstick-wearing women were raised in a social environment where a previously supernormal stimulus (heightened lip pigmentation/smoothed glossy lip surface) is now expected as a normal aspect of professional presentation in many contexts, and they do not wish to be asked "are you feeling well?" on a regular basis.

Re: Lawsuit: Sexual harassment ‘victim’ was San Francisco business rival in disguise

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Post by hdhdbebbbdhdvd »

vkou wrote: post #40
hdhdbebbbdhdvd wrote: post #34

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A problem can be serious without being wide-spread, and this is a great example -- false accusations (of any crime), though rare, sow the seeds of doubt in the testimony of every accuser. Every widely publicized false accusation (Duke lacrosse rape, etc) causes hundreds or perhaps even thousands of real rapists to go free and rape more people, since jurors take the possibility of a false accusation as "reasonable dou…

> A problem can be serious without being wide-spread Rape and sexual harassment are problems that are both serious, and incredibly wide-spread. They are also under-reported and under-prosecuted, and even when they are, well, that young gentleman is such a good athlete, and has such a bright future, we can't destroy his life over something minor like that. You could also bet that actual rape victims would not come for…

Yes, rape and sexual harassment are serious problems, and false accusations of these crimes, in particular, where forensic evidence is rare, literally increases the number of rapes by allowing rapists to avoid jail.
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