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Lawsuit: Sexual harassment ‘victim’ was San Francisco business rival in disguise

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Re: Lawsuit: Sexual harassment ‘victim’ was San Francisco business rival in disguise

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Post by DannyBee »

abhi3 wrote: post #32
zaroth wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you a lawyer? Because this sounds like fantasy.

Yes, I am a lawyer. Succesful defamation lawsuits usually get multi-million dollar damage awards, most recent case was the Hulk Hogan case against Gawker where 100 million+ damages were awarded and Gawker filed for bankruptcy. Insurance doesn't usually cover liability due to defamatory behavior and in any case, it is rare for individuals to hold such policies. Now I am not familiar with the US or Japenese Criminal Co…

" Succesful defamation lawsuits usually get multi-million dollar damage awards"

[citation needed].

It's actually fairly rare for such awards in the US, according to all data i see. (certainly, they get highlighted by the media, but seem to be uncommon, since the average is something Where are you licensed that the usual is multi-million?

Re: Lawsuit: Sexual harassment ‘victim’ was San Francisco business rival in disguise

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Post by kbart »

curun1r wrote: post #33
taneq wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The accused must usually be given the benefit of doubt in cases of anonymous allegations without any corroborating evidence. The accused must always be given the benefit of the doubt in case of any allegations without corroborating evidence. This current trend of "anyone accused of sexual harassment is guilty unless proven innocent" is not justice.

There's no such thing as guilty or innocent when it comes to sexual harassment. It's not a crime and only companies can be liable for anything related to it, not the actual people doing the harassment. So what we're seeing is these incidents being played out in the court of public opinion. And unlike the law, there are no hard and fast rules in that courtroom. There's only cultural norms that are still evolving. We s…

"There's no such thing as guilty or innocent when it comes to sexual harassment."

If there are no procedures and we leave justice to public opinion then it's nothing more than a witchhunt.

"It's not a crime "

It is in pretty much any modern country.

Re: Lawsuit: Sexual harassment ‘victim’ was San Francisco business rival in disguise

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Post by AKifer »

Profiteers always exist, seeking for loopholes and sneaky tactics to attain their goals. The system should punish offenders and protect victims, but MUST ensure that those who sneakily use that as a tool to achieve other goals MUST be punished 10x harsher.

Re: Lawsuit: Sexual harassment ‘victim’ was San Francisco business rival in disguise

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Post by curun1r »

kbart wrote: post #43
curun1r wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no such thing as guilty or innocent when it comes to sexual harassment. It's not a crime and only companies can be liable for anything related to it, not the actual people doing the harassment. So what we're seeing is these incidents being played out in the court of public opinion. And unlike the law, there are no hard and fast rules in that courtroom. There's only cultural norms that are still evolving. We s…

"There's no such thing as guilty or innocent when it comes to sexual harassment." If there are no procedures and we leave justice to public opinion then it's nothing more than a witchhunt. "It's not a crime " It is in pretty much any modern country.

Perhaps, but unlike Salem, it's one with some actual witches.

Re: Lawsuit: Sexual harassment ‘victim’ was San Francisco business rival in disguise

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Post by abhi3 »

DannyBee wrote: post #41
abhi3 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, I am a lawyer. Succesful defamation lawsuits usually get multi-million dollar damage awards, most recent case was the Hulk Hogan case against Gawker where 100 million+ damages were awarded and Gawker filed for bankruptcy. Insurance doesn't usually cover liability due to defamatory behavior and in any case, it is rare for individuals to hold such policies. Now I am not familiar with the US or Japenese Criminal Co…

" Succesful defamation lawsuits usually get multi-million dollar damage awards" [citation needed]. It's actually fairly rare for such awards in the US, according to all data i see. (certainly, they get highlighted by the media, but seem to be uncommon, since the average is something Where are you licensed that the usual is multi-million?

Well, I should have been more specific. I was referring to cases such as these which play out publicly and not disputes between two neighbors.

One hundred thousand dollar sounds right in the ball park for General damages in usual cases though it'll increase depending on how much publicity the accusation got or if business reputation was harmed. That's just general damages. There's also attorneys fee in two countries and then there are special damages (economic harm caused), and finally, pre and post judgment interest.

Add on top of all that possible punitive damages imposed by a jury. I am a lawyer in India but these are usual common law principles followed everywhere.

Re: Lawsuit: Sexual harassment ‘victim’ was San Francisco business rival in disguise

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Post by thereare5lights »

wand3r wrote: post #36

This world is getting so fucked up. We can't crucify people for "hitting on" or other somewhat tame behavior because we have nothing left to throw at the real offenders. Conversely, people benefit on both sides of the equation; using sex to their advantage or weaponizing allegations like this. Sexual assualt is REAL and should be punished. We need to focus on a balance between being human and being a predator. People…

Oh stop spewing bs about sexual harassment as "hitting on" people. The accusations against the VCs McClure and Pollock involved groping or worse.

Re: Lawsuit: Sexual harassment ‘victim’ was San Francisco business rival in disguise

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Post by strathmeyer »

mbesto wrote: post #16

That's right, no one would ever abuse an online system for blacklisting VCs accused of sexual harassment...smh https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14773434

LOL a leader of YC once threatened to ruin my career and prevent me from ever being hired because of a comment I made on an article that was linked here. Now I know why.

Re: Lawsuit: Sexual harassment ‘victim’ was San Francisco business rival in disguise

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Post by flukus »

celeritascelery wrote: post #21
qq66 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Part of the problem is that the penalties for doing this are usually just civil. I imagine people's behavior would be very different if the next person who manufactured an allegation to attack a business competitor got a twenty-year (or even two-year) jail sentence.

Completely agree. Rape will land you jail for a long time (as it should) but rape hoaxing has almost no consequences.

I think you mean penalties and not consequences? Because rape hoaxing has some very real, career/company destroying consequences.
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