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Re: Sugar-sweetened drinks with protein rich meal affect metabolism

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Post by fredsir »

tomjakubowski wrote: post #113
KitDuncan wrote: post #108

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My grandpa ate meat and dairy every day and died after his forth stroke at 70. He had his first stroke at 50, but never even considered changing his diet. My grandma is obese on a similar diet and probably won't make it much longer. My mom ate the a same since an early age and had very high cholesterol and the doctors warned her that she is on a similar course as my grandpa if she didn't change her diet. I've since c…

> Plenty of peer-reviewed studies. There is no denying that dietary cholesterol is a killer and cutting out meat and dairy is probably the healthiest option for the majority of the population. Yeah, except that the pendulum is swinging the other way now. http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/panel-suggests-stop-warni... "There’s a growing consensus among nutrition scientists that cholesterol in food has little effect on…

It doesn't has as high an effect as saturated fat, no, but it still has a negative effect, and fact of the matter is that we need to consume zero dietary cholesterol, so every time we do, that is a negative action towards the goal of health.

Another thing to note is that often the case is that food that is high in cholesterol is also high in saturated fat, both things that affect ldl cholesterol levels in a negative way.

Re: Sugar-sweetened drinks with protein rich meal affect metabolism

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Post by DiThi »

et-al wrote: post #145
DiThi wrote: post #131

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> I can't believe eating 40+ eggs a week is healthy. I've started precisely after reading the studies that find no correlation between consumed cholesterol and its levels in blood. Also when I found out that the vast majority of cholesterol in blood is made in the body to match the levels it needs. Also when I found out the link between heart disease and LDL levels couldn't be proven. Of course, I eat them alone, wit…

40 eggs/week seems excessive, regardless of the cholesterol or lack of. Is the rest of your diet still balanced and diverse?

Not sure where that number came from. I eat about 25/week. And of course it has other things. Veggies, meat, ...

Re: Sugar-sweetened drinks with protein rich meal affect metabolism

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Post by fredsir »

DiThi wrote: post #131
charlesdm wrote: post #57

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Low carb or not, I can't believe eating 40+ eggs a week is healthy. Balance it out, yo! Plus, while I like eggs (a lot), they do get boring after a while. There are only so many different ways to prepare them.

> I can't believe eating 40+ eggs a week is healthy. I've started precisely after reading the studies that find no correlation between consumed cholesterol and its levels in blood. Also when I found out that the vast majority of cholesterol in blood is made in the body to match the levels it needs. Also when I found out the link between heart disease and LDL levels couldn't be proven. Of course, I eat them alone, wit…

No correlation sounds wrong. Which study is that?

As far as I know, the consensus is that dietary cholesterol doesn't affect ldl cholesterol as much as saturated fat, but it doesn't have "zero effect" either.

Eggs also have a lot of saturated fat. That's already two things affecting your ldl cholesterol levels in a bad way.

Re: Sugar-sweetened drinks with protein rich meal affect metabolism

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Post by chiefalchemist »

zhengyi13 wrote: post #132
chiefalchemist wrote: post #123

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Children drinking alcohol?

Yes, absolutely. Not much, granted, but if you look into the history of beer production, you'll see commonly the production from a single mash two, or even three beers, ending with the "small beer", which was commonly served to all, including children. Because wort was boiled, it was a safer alternative to water, from a time before germ theory was understood.

Ok. But not even close to the way kids drink sugary drinks today.

Re: Sugar-sweetened drinks with protein rich meal affect metabolism

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Post by chiefalchemist »

namlem wrote: post #125
chiefalchemist wrote: post #120

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Amen. People are very confused. Just because they think something is okay for then doesn't make it so. In a short time we will pull our heads out of fats asses and realize that sugar is the nicotine of our era. It's not healthy. It has major health reprecussions. Etc. Unfortunately, fat, literally, makes you stupid. So embracing the obvious might as chose as it should be.

How does fat make you stupid? I've only seen claims to the contrary, that keto diets are good for the brain.

First, it's kinda obvious. That is obesity compromises the organs. That would include your brain. Furthermore, the brain outsources a lot: blood, oxygen, glucose, etc. Obesity compromises the foundation the brain stands on.

That said, here ya go...

https://duckduckgo.com/?ko=-1&q=obesity+effects+on+brain+fun... https://duckduckgo.com/?q=https://duckduckgo.com/?ko=-1&q=ob...

Re: Sugar-sweetened drinks with protein rich meal affect metabolism

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Post by chiefalchemist »

mkrecny wrote: post #124
chiefalchemist wrote: post #120

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Amen. People are very confused. Just because they think something is okay for then doesn't make it so. In a short time we will pull our heads out of fats asses and realize that sugar is the nicotine of our era. It's not healthy. It has major health reprecussions. Etc. Unfortunately, fat, literally, makes you stupid. So embracing the obvious might as chose as it should be.

Fat makes you stupid?

I should have said being overweight or obesity. Not fat.

Re: Sugar-sweetened drinks with protein rich meal affect metabolism

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Post by chiefalchemist »

wutbrodo wrote: post #138
namlem wrote: post #125

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How does fat make you stupid? I've only seen claims to the contrary, that keto diets are good for the brain.

Dietary fat and body fat are different things. Keto is associated with the former, but if anything it reduces the latter. I think his claim is that (excess) body fat is what makes you stupid. I don't know what specifically this is supported by, but your objection is based on misunderstanding the claim. Edit: I just Googled it and I think he probably means this CMU study: http://www.menshealth.com/weight-loss/how-bein…

Yes, body weigh fat, not fat. Your brain actually need fat. But obesity compromises the major organs. Organs the brain depends on. Less effective organs - e.g. heart and circulation - is going to compromise the brain.

https://duckduckgo.com/?ko=-1&q=obesity+effects+on+brain+fun... https://duckduckgo.com/?q=https://duckduckgo.com/?ko=-1&q=ob...

Re: Sugar-sweetened drinks with protein rich meal affect metabolism

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Post by charlesdm »

et-al wrote: post #145
DiThi wrote: post #131

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> I can't believe eating 40+ eggs a week is healthy. I've started precisely after reading the studies that find no correlation between consumed cholesterol and its levels in blood. Also when I found out that the vast majority of cholesterol in blood is made in the body to match the levels it needs. Also when I found out the link between heart disease and LDL levels couldn't be proven. Of course, I eat them alone, wit…

40 eggs/week seems excessive, regardless of the cholesterol or lack of. Is the rest of your diet still balanced and diverse?

Indeed; imo anything that is consumed excessively can't be healthy. Whether that is eggs, meat, fish, veggies, etc. I'm not saying it's harmful -- just saying you need to find a balance. I personally eat about 4 to 8 eggs a week, so still a decent amount, in combination with plenty of other things.

Re: Sugar-sweetened drinks with protein rich meal affect metabolism

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Post by DiThi »

fredsir wrote: post #153
DiThi wrote: post #131

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> I can't believe eating 40+ eggs a week is healthy. I've started precisely after reading the studies that find no correlation between consumed cholesterol and its levels in blood. Also when I found out that the vast majority of cholesterol in blood is made in the body to match the levels it needs. Also when I found out the link between heart disease and LDL levels couldn't be proven. Of course, I eat them alone, wit…

No correlation sounds wrong. Which study is that? As far as I know, the consensus is that dietary cholesterol doesn't affect ldl cholesterol as much as saturated fat, but it doesn't have "zero effect" either. Eggs also have a lot of saturated fat. That's already two things affecting your ldl cholesterol levels in a bad way.

> Which study is that?

One of the ones linked in this article, I don't remember which. https://lifeforbusypeople.com/2016/08/24/why-anti-fat-is-com...

Re: Sugar-sweetened drinks with protein rich meal affect metabolism

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Post by asp_hornet »

0xbear wrote: post #101

Does someone know of any serious "weight loss" books that are _rigorously evidence based_, without layman explanations, bad/outdated research, and bovine manure like confusing correlation with causation or relying on small, unrandomized population studies to confirm the author's preconceived notions for how things should be? I mean real, hard ass summary of today's best, most rigorous studies + some recommendations.

"better than steroids" by Dr Warren Wiley. Although it might be more focused for athletes than what you are after. And yes, the title is sensationalized, in the first few pages the author admits it.
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