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Re: Sugar-sweetened drinks with protein rich meal affect metabolism

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Post by DiThi » Sun, Jul 23, 2017, 5:37 PM UTC

charlesdm wrote: post #57

DiThi wrote: post #36

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> One downside: I noticed my bi-weekly shopping bills to have definitely gone up. Mine has gone down after switching to eggs as default go-to food.

Low carb or not, I can't believe eating 40+ eggs a week is healthy. Balance it out, yo! Plus, while I like eggs (a lot), they do get boring after a while. There are only so many different ways to prepare them.

> I can't believe eating 40+ eggs a week is healthy.

I've started precisely after reading the studies that find no correlation between consumed cholesterol and its levels in blood. Also when I found out that the vast majority of cholesterol in blood is made in the body to match the levels it needs. Also when I found out the link between heart disease and LDL levels couldn't be proven.

Of course, I eat them alone, without bread or fries like I used to do.

> they do get boring after a while

Luckily for me they don't

Re: Sugar-sweetened drinks with protein rich meal affect metabolism

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Post by zhengyi13 » Sun, Jul 23, 2017, 5:42 PM UTC

chiefalchemist wrote: post #123

hahajk wrote: post #89

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On the flip side, the idea of drinking mainly non-alcoholic water also emerged only in the past couple decades. Humans have been drinking beer/mead/wine since prehistory, which are basically sugar sweetened drinks left to ferment.

Children drinking alcohol?

Yes, absolutely. Not much, granted, but if you look into the history of beer production, you'll see commonly the production from a single mash two, or even three beers, ending with the "small beer", which was commonly served to all, including children. Because wort was boiled, it was a safer alternative to water, from a time before germ theory was understood.

Re: Sugar-sweetened drinks with protein rich meal affect metabolism

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Post by jm2721 » Sun, Jul 23, 2017, 5:49 PM UTC

KitDuncan wrote: post #108

tomxor wrote: post #14

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I know what you mean, and my answer probably wont be very satisfying to you: Use common sense, eat what your grandma tells you (if you have a good grandma), ignore all the crap on the internet which is 90% confusing rubbish (with the exception of some scientific studies which can be insightful but not necessarily anything to base a diet on). Try to cook your own food at least half the time and have a balanced intake…

My grandpa ate meat and dairy every day and died after his forth stroke at 70. He had his first stroke at 50, but never even considered changing his diet. My grandma is obese on a similar diet and probably won't make it much longer. My mom ate the a same since an early age and had very high cholesterol and the doctors warned her that she is on a similar course as my grandpa if she didn't change her diet. I've since c…

I feel like you're omitting some key points here. You say they ate meat and dairy every day. Practically everybody eats meat and dairy every day, but not everybody has high cholesterol or an increased risk of heart disease (note that those are separate concerns, as CVD happens in people with low cholesterol as well). If I have a glass of milk with cereal in the morning, and a ham and cheese sandwich for lunch on white bread, I've already had two servings of dairy and a serving of meat. But I've also had one or two servings of a sugary breakfast cereal and two slices of white bread (both of which are about as nutritionally void as candy). Those are the really harmful factors here.

I believe you when you say they lost weight on an all plant diet. But I think you're probably attributing their success to the wrong thing. Correlation != causation. People on a diet would never dream of having refined carbohydrates or too much sugar, because those are universally understood to be bad for you (even if it's just the 'empty calories' argument). They just so happened to also stop eating any animal products. So I don't think you can target the meat and dairy and just claim that removing them is "probably the healthiest option for the majority of the population". Rotten thinking like this is what got us into this catastrophic obesity epidemic in the first place.

Re: Sugar-sweetened drinks with protein rich meal affect metabolism

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Post by _nedR » Sun, Jul 23, 2017, 5:50 PM UTC

hahajk wrote: post #89

spodek wrote: post #10

> The next time you tuck into a protein rich dinner, it may be a good idea to hold off on the sugary drinks. For 300,000 of human existence except the past few decades, humans drank no sugar-sweetened drinks. It is always a good idea to hold off on sugary drinks.

On the flip side, the idea of drinking mainly non-alcoholic water also emerged only in the past couple decades. Humans have been drinking beer/mead/wine since prehistory, which are basically sugar sweetened drinks left to ferment.

>the past couple decades.

Well, Islam has forbidden alcoholic drinks from the very beginning so that means you are off by at least 1400 years.

Re: Sugar-sweetened drinks with protein rich meal affect metabolism

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Post by jm2721 » Sun, Jul 23, 2017, 5:55 PM UTC

Lionga wrote: post #114

0xbear wrote: post #101

Does someone know of any serious "weight loss" books that are _rigorously evidence based_, without layman explanations, bad/outdated research, and bovine manure like confusing correlation with causation or relying on small, unrandomized population studies to confirm the author's preconceived notions for how things should be? I mean real, hard ass summary of today's best, most rigorous studies + some recommendations.

Eat less calories then you burn == weight loss

Do you understand that you're commenting this on an article that literally disproves what you're saying?

Re: Sugar-sweetened drinks with protein rich meal affect metabolism

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Post by wutbrodo » Sun, Jul 23, 2017, 6:06 PM UTC

nthcolumn wrote: post #107

ulber wrote: post #4

Often people are wary of new results about health, so it's worth pointing out that this paper is rigorous and the conclusion is very likely to be correct, as explained by this comment on Reddit's /r/science [1]. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/6oufus/comment/dkk...

Oh shit if its peer reviewed by reddit then hold the cola.

There's a difference between "as explained by this comment" and "because this comment says so".

Then again, it relies on a level of self-confidence in one's ability to understand the analysis that you probably lack if you can't tell the difference between the above statements.

Re: Sugar-sweetened drinks with protein rich meal affect metabolism

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Post by dgudkov » Sun, Jul 23, 2017, 6:08 PM UTC

IronBacon wrote: post #49

I wonder if this means ending a meal with a dessert it's considered a "no no".

I would suspect it strongly depends on the dessert size. In North America desserts are huge and that's a problem. A small two-bite dessert won't hurt and would give the same satisfaction as a big one. Also a small (and I mean really small) shot of fortified sweet wine (e.g. port or madeira) is a traditional way to finish a meal in some parts of Europe, which I suspect is healthier than a typical North American dessert.

Re: Sugar-sweetened drinks with protein rich meal affect metabolism

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Post by wutbrodo » Sun, Jul 23, 2017, 6:11 PM UTC

namlem wrote: post #125

chiefalchemist wrote: post #120

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Amen. People are very confused. Just because they think something is okay for then doesn't make it so. In a short time we will pull our heads out of fats asses and realize that sugar is the nicotine of our era. It's not healthy. It has major health reprecussions. Etc. Unfortunately, fat, literally, makes you stupid. So embracing the obvious might as chose as it should be.

How does fat make you stupid? I've only seen claims to the contrary, that keto diets are good for the brain.

Dietary fat and body fat are different things. Keto is associated with the former, but if anything it reduces the latter. I think his claim is that (excess) body fat is what makes you stupid.

I don't know what specifically this is supported by, but your objection is based on misunderstanding the claim.

Edit: I just Googled it and I think he probably means this CMU study: http://www.menshealth.com/weight-loss/how-being-fat-makes-yo...

Re: Sugar-sweetened drinks with protein rich meal affect metabolism

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Post by jm2721 » Sun, Jul 23, 2017, 6:17 PM UTC

zython wrote: post #8

Lately I've been having this feeling that the pseudo science of nutrition (not talking about the researchers but the food and lifestyle artists on social media) makes it very hard to find out what a good diet is and what isnt. Meat ? Bad unless it isnt. Dairy and Eggs ? Even worse except when it isnt. Vegan/vegetarian nutrition ? The worst except, you guessed it, when it isnt. If you dont believe me just google any f…

I agree that there is a ton of misinformation floating around on the internet. Even legitimate nutritional research is notoriously difficult to conduct well. As you say, almost every diet has its benefits and supporting evidence. You will have people who claim that mostly vegetarian diets are best, and cite the Okinawans. Then you'll have the paleo crowd, who claims that you don't need fruits/vegetables at all and cite the Maasai. I think this comment pretty much sums it up: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14813840.

If I were you, I'd steer clear of any sites that talk about 'toxins', 'detox', 'cleanses', or anything else like that as it's likely to be junk science. Juice cleanses can be particularly hazardous (I am honestly baffled that anybody would think drinking a ton of sugary juice is healthy). I was going to say look for articles that cite their sources, but even the medical literature can be cherry picked to support any hypothesis.

We still have a long way to go before we have nutritional advice that 1. Is actually correct, meaning it's heavily supported by scientific research and has been shown to work and 2. Is accepted mainstream. Until then, I think everyone can at least agree on a few things:

1. Don't eat sugar. Yes, natural alternatives like honey or agave are also sugar.

2. Don't eat refined, processed carbohydrates.

3. Don't eat trans fats.

I think correcting those will eliminate the majority of most peoples diet-related health issues. Everything else pales in comparison.

Re: Sugar-sweetened drinks with protein rich meal affect metabolism

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Post by wutbrodo » Sun, Jul 23, 2017, 6:21 PM UTC

resf wrote: post #88

mchannon wrote: post #39

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I predict in the coming years we'll start referring to fructose as "bad sugar" and glucose/dextrose as "good sugar". Sucrose, being a 50/50 compound of the two, thus inherits "bad sugar" from the fructose produced during digestion. HFCS actually ranges from 29-55% fructose vs. glucose/dextrose (the highest being available in CocaCola freestyle soda machines), and can be better or worse than sucrose, but is generally…

> Is it possible that we're fat only because we're eating the wrong kind of sugars? Nope, we are fat because there are many cheap sources of calories, particularly deep fried foods.

The objections to this oversimplified reasoning usually point to the fact that, among other things, there's a documented rise in obesity among animals as well, across a variety of situations (feral rats, lab primates, domestic pets). Lab primates aren't eating out more or getting less PE in schools, which suggests the possibility of an environmental factor[1].

> particularly deep fried foods.

This is a very early-1990s understanding of nutrition. The low-fat recommendations pushed by the USDA and followed to a large degree by American consumers didn't do anything to halt the obesity rise, because excess dietary fat isn't nearly as bad for you as excess processed carbs/sugar.

[1] https://www.livescience.com/10277-obesity-rise-animals.html