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The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Firefox already does this - that's why it's the awesome bar. You can see it in action here https://youtu.be/pKE0Oc3yIBs?t=53

Awesome bar is nice, it's like using a crippled opera from 10 years ago.

Sadly, I have found that almost any new feature of browsers these days is like using a crippled opera from 10 years ago.

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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I wish tabs/windows worked more like persistent "workspaces". For example, say I'm booking a trip. I always open a bunch of sites (Kayak, Booking.com, lots of hotels, Google Maps, places to visit, etc.) in a single window. In pre-computer times it would be like covering a desk with a ton of papers, books and notes. Gradually I will figure out stuff, book the trip, etc. but the tabs can stay for quite a while. I feel…

Firefox used to have this feature, but it was removed. You need to install this extension now: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tab-groups-pa...

I LOVE tab groups. I'm hoping a WebExtension version comes out before FF57.

It's impossible to go back once you get used to that UX.

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Surprised to see no mention of Tab Center ( https://testpilot.firefox.com/experiments/tab-center ) in the comments. I've gotten so used to it that now I find it hard to use a browser with tabs on top. Being able to see more of the page title when tabs are displayed horizontally is extremely useful. There's a search field too. This combined with the "browser.ctrlTab.previews" set to true in about:config (enables MRU t…

Note that Tab Center will stop working by the end of this year, but I have found https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tab-center-re... to be an adequate replacement!

How is this different from Tree Tabs?

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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I have a bash script called `kill-chrome-helpers` that kills all Chrome processes without terminating any Chrome windows. It kills extensions too, but whenever that happens Chrome pops up a bubble saying "click here to restore the extension", so usually I just run the script and then click a few times. The script is dead simple: killall "Google Chrome Helper" This has the annoying effect of turning every page into a…

A couple things. First, it's best to avoid using `killall`. On Linux it searches the process list, but on Solaris and possibly other nixes, it kills all processes system-wide. Using `pkill` is a better habit, but read the manpage first because it matches a little differently. Secondly, check out this extension for Chrome: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/the-great-suspende... . It auto-suspends tabs that hav…

No, that is rather a Solaris quirk. That's ancient (literally) sysv behavior and killall in neither OpenBSD, nor FreeBSD work like that today.

So in practice, what you're saying isn't relevant to majority of *nix users today.

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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So even if you only had 100 tabs This is fucking surreal. Why on Earth would anyone want 100 open tabs, besides testing? What's the real life scenario we're looking at here?

I am tab hoarder. It's a serious problem. So many links that I want to read. But I don't feel like doing it right now. And I know for certain that if I put it into a bookmark, I will never ever look at it again. So they sit on my tab bar for months until I get around to it. Looking at my current open tabs, most of them are dense "boring" reading material like scientific papers (or reddit/HN discussions of them.) I fe…

Same. I stopped using bookmarks around 1999 or so because I found them to be a terrible solution to anything, really (it was a graveyard where links went to die, and this was before bookmark syncing was a thing, so you always forgot to back them up as well).

I've tried all the third-party type attempt to solve it (everything from saving the links in a textfile I always keep open to ReadItLater, OneTab, Pocket etc. All those things are where tabs go to die, never to be read again. More like ReadItNever, amirite?). That's a "solution" I guess.

Now I try to be more selective in what I "keep" to read later, and as soon as I hit 40-50 tabs, I go through and kill a bunch of them. It hurts a bit, but not as bad as when I have hundreds of tabs.

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Some people effectively use tabs as bookmarks. Or, if you want to look at it the other way, bookmarks are just tabs that don't load until you click on them.

Bookmarks are tabs that you're sure you want to keep permanently.

Bookmarks are where links go to die, never to be opened again.

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Firefox is a case study in how performance really does matter. A lot. It used to be the best browser, and then something happened and it gradually became slow, really slow, while Chrome became fast. Who was in charge over at Mozilla during all this? Any engineering director worth their salt would have noticed what was happening and installed metrics that didn't let engineers commit code that caused performance regres…

> It used to be the best browser, and then something happened and it gradually became slow, really slow In many cases, it wasn't that Firefox became slow but that people installed extensions which made it slow. For years, you could solve 90% of those complaints by uninstalling AdBlock Plus.

Well, for years, uninstalling AdBlock Plus was unacceptable (at the time, now we have uBlock Origin). For many people, a browser without an ad blocker is an unusable browser.

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Using a bookmark manager like diigo might let you save those articles with your own keywords and search on those topics later. The feature I like best about diigo is for what I do read, I can highlight the sentences I want to recall or locate later.

That just puts it out of sight, out of mind. I have thousands of meticulously tagged tabs, including a tag called "toread". I think I can count the number of those I've read without taking my shoes off. And if I want something in the future I generally find myself googling it. But I have on more than one occasion been unable to remember how I got to a page, or even how to search for it, and in those times I found my…

I find I don't bookmark a page as much as bookmark a sentence in my mind.

Less out of sight as well, the next time I do a google search, diigo plugin injects my existing stuff beside the search. I like the offline copy it keeps for me like you said.

It's not perfect but not a sinkhole of bookmarks.

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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I start doing that, but have made an effort to always start a week with a fresh browser, one tab open. If I haven't read the article before the week was up, clearly it wasn't important enough.

In principle I agree, but in practice... I can't let go of my hoarding ways. What if there's a nugget of information hiding in all those tabs that could ︎ change my life?

Here's the way I do it... I setup a Gmail account that I only use to "save" links. Anytime I encounter an article that looks interesting and want to save, I just tap the browser menu, tap "Share" and share it to that email account. Works great and no more hassles with bookmarks and open tabs.

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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> It used to be the best browser, and then something happened and it gradually became slow, really slow In many cases, it wasn't that Firefox became slow but that people installed extensions which made it slow. For years, you could solve 90% of those complaints by uninstalling AdBlock Plus.

Well, for years, uninstalling AdBlock Plus was unacceptable (at the time, now we have uBlock Origin). For many people, a browser without an ad blocker is an unusable browser.

There were other options which had much better performance, but that's not really the point: much of what people blamed on the browser was actually a less visible program they'd installed, similar to the way Windows often got blamed for performance or stability problems created by anti-virus software.
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