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Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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post #382

My usual day looks something like this: open FF (it it's not already running) and wait for a hand full app-tabs to load: * slack (there's no dark theme in the native app) * skype (there's no dark theme in the native app) * toggl (timetracking) * email (office365, I stopped worrying about outlook/thunderbird) * jira (gotta know what to work on next) * social (fb&twitter - could probably also do w/o - I rarely open tho…

You might want to try http://meetfranz.com/ .

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Wow. I've been getting more and more frustrated with how poorly Chrome handles even a moderately large number of tabs (~150), and it sounds like my savior is going to be ... Firefox. Huh. Wouldn't have guessed it, but I'll totally take it. I have a nice extension for Chrome called Quick Tabs that gives me a searchable list of my open tabs and makes it easy to find things I have open... anyone know which of the severa…

"% foo" will search your open tabs for foo. See https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/awesome-bar-search-fire... for other characters that will filter the search results for other data such as bookmarks, history, tags, etc.

You can also configure the character used to search only tabs (I use ",") with "browser.urlbar.restrict.openpage" in about:config.

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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post #295

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That's because the bookmarkers sucks. They do not adapt to what you are doing, you need to do a lot of setup and organize a lot to be able to use it well. It should be more organic, grow with the use you make. I still believe that anyone who makes a better bookmark will dominate more than just the browser war.

Have you tried pocket? I used to keep a load of bookmarks but the problem was that after a while many of the source urls would die off. So something like pocket is very handy as it takes a copy of the page you're interested in.

Pocket might get better integration since it was recently acquired by Mozilla. Fingers crossed...

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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post #498

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I am tab hoarder. It's a serious problem. So many links that I want to read. But I don't feel like doing it right now. And I know for certain that if I put it into a bookmark, I will never ever look at it again. So they sit on my tab bar for months until I get around to it. Looking at my current open tabs, most of them are dense "boring" reading material like scientific papers (or reddit/HN discussions of them.) I fe…

Using a bookmark manager like diigo might let you save those articles with your own keywords and search on those topics later. The feature I like best about diigo is for what I do read, I can highlight the sentences I want to recall or locate later.

That just puts it out of sight, out of mind. I have thousands of meticulously tagged tabs, including a tag called "toread". I think I can count the number of those I've read without taking my shoes off. And if I want something in the future I generally find myself googling it.

But I have on more than one occasion been unable to remember how I got to a page, or even how to search for it, and in those times I found my system invaluable.

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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post #39

I'm really glad that people at Mozilla use ridiculous numbers of tabs too. Lazy-loading of tabs is the reason I switched to firefox. I'm not sure if it's still this way, but Chrome used to load every tab on startup. So even if you only had 100 tabs, you were looking at 5+ minute startup time. God-forbid that any of them were Youtube, or you'd have to go through and pause them all. I've just updated to Firefox 55 to t…

So even if you only had 100 tabs This is fucking surreal. Why on Earth would anyone want 100 open tabs, besides testing? What's the real life scenario we're looking at here?

Research man. You run into a problem coding and go into a spiral hunting through random blogs. You can mouse over tabs and use your scroll wheel to quickly flash through tabs. But yeah you do lose track. 8GB for me isn't enough I end up maxing out the ram even with i3. I do wish they turned the inactive pages into picture or something.

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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I am tab hoarder. It's a serious problem. So many links that I want to read. But I don't feel like doing it right now. And I know for certain that if I put it into a bookmark, I will never ever look at it again. So they sit on my tab bar for months until I get around to it. Looking at my current open tabs, most of them are dense "boring" reading material like scientific papers (or reddit/HN discussions of them.) I fe…

Greetings fellow hoarder. Should you be using Chrome I highly recommend the great suspender. It will unload tabs from memory if they're not used after a set time. That way one can open and return at your leisure without as much of an impact.

That sounds interesting. What happened when you return to a suspended tab?

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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post #3

I <3 you Firefox. I'm so sad that nobody uses you.

The only thing keeping in Chrome at the moment is that Firefox' debug tools don't let me profile JS line-by-line like Chrome does. Line-by-line testing to see what needs optimisation is seriously useful for the type of stuff I'm doing.

EDIT: obviously, I spend most of my day developing. Firefox definitely has my preference when I'm ust browsing on my own.

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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I frequently play a little game with Chrome: 1. Open up Window->Task Manager 2. Sort by CPU 3. Tap back and forth between tab clusters with single digit+ CPU usage and the "End Process" button as they bubble to the top of the list 4. Try not to kill extensions 5. When I'm not seeing too many >1% processes, sort by memory usage 6. Kill everything over 99mb 7. Continue enjoying Chrome Every time I do this little dance,…

I have a bash script called `kill-chrome-helpers` that kills all Chrome processes without terminating any Chrome windows. It kills extensions too, but whenever that happens Chrome pops up a bubble saying "click here to restore the extension", so usually I just run the script and then click a few times. The script is dead simple: killall "Google Chrome Helper" This has the annoying effect of turning every page into a…

A couple things. First, it's best to avoid using `killall`. On Linux it searches the process list, but on Solaris and possibly other nixes, it kills all processes system-wide. Using `pkill` is a better habit, but read the manpage first because it matches a little differently.

Secondly, check out this extension for Chrome: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/the-great-suspende... . It auto-suspends tabs that haven't been opened for a given time period (I think the default is 60 minutes). Can also whitelist domains, etc. I've been using it with great success for a long time now.

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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post #438

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> It used to be the best browser, and then something happened and it gradually became slow, really slow In many cases, it wasn't that Firefox became slow but that people installed extensions which made it slow. For years, you could solve 90% of those complaints by uninstalling AdBlock Plus.

Except that Adblock Plus wasn't the problem when Firefox was slow with web apps or sites that used JavaScript to load content. Firefox's JavaScript engine lagged significantly behind Chrome (and Safari) for a few years. It still does in a few areas.

That's partially true but remember that you're generalizing from micro-benchmarks – which did not universally tilt Chrome – to the complex behavior of real sites, where networking, memory usage, and general de-optimization tended to cancel out many of those small wins.

That's not saying that the browser teams haven't made big strides, only that it's not such a simple story. Chrome running a certain JavaScript function 15% faster isn't a game changer if a side is limited by layout or poorly structured DOM interactions.

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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post #437

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How is that relevant to a UI discussion?

It could be the best UI ever, if it is not available it is useless. In this particular example microsoft uses edge to push people to use the latest version of their adware/spyware OS.

That says nothing about whether a particular UI feature is good – and browsers in particular have a long history of good ideas becoming widely implemented by most vendors.
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