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Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Post by yagyu »

huntie wrote: post #39

I'm really glad that people at Mozilla use ridiculous numbers of tabs too. Lazy-loading of tabs is the reason I switched to firefox. I'm not sure if it's still this way, but Chrome used to load every tab on startup. So even if you only had 100 tabs, you were looking at 5+ minute startup time. God-forbid that any of them were Youtube, or you'd have to go through and pause them all. I've just updated to Firefox 55 to t…

Long time user of Tree Style Tabs. Works great for me. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-ta...

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Post by cpeterso »

vacri wrote: post #201
elorant wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So even if you only had 100 tabs This is fucking surreal. Why on Earth would anyone want 100 open tabs, besides testing? What's the real life scenario we're looking at here?

Well, until they git rid of XUL add-ons in November/FF57, I live and die by the Tab Groups extension. I have a group of tabs for various things in AWS, a group for various things in my build system, a group for the various Jira and Confluence things, a group for mail and google docs, a group for my company's HR requirements (timesheeting), a group for programming docs, and any one of these groups can have additional…

"Simplified Tab Groups" [1] is a similar Firefox extension and the developer says [2] he intends to make it compatible with the new WebExtension API.

[1] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tab-groups/

[2] https://github.com/denschub/firefox-tabgroups/issues/60

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Post by overcast »

I was already using 55.x Beta. My BIGGEST issue, is that EVERY browser seems to chew up memory over time, just by leaving it open with tabs going. Firefox, Chrome, Safari. All do the same thing. Alleviated by using the Great Suspender in Chrome, but why can't they all have this just built in? Startup/speed, and initially memory use really haven't been that big of an issue. It's the memory, and finally grinding to a halt that is the BIGGEST issue for me. I can't escape it.

Happens on MacOS, and Windows for me.

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Post by ajmurmann »

rplnt wrote: post #164
huntie wrote: post #39

I'm really glad that people at Mozilla use ridiculous numbers of tabs too. Lazy-loading of tabs is the reason I switched to firefox. I'm not sure if it's still this way, but Chrome used to load every tab on startup. So even if you only had 100 tabs, you were looking at 5+ minute startup time. God-forbid that any of them were Youtube, or you'd have to go through and pause them all. I've just updated to Firefox 55 to t…

Old Opera simply used to load cache. So if you opened a tab, it was there.. for days, weeks, months, through restarts and all. I loved that. Now everything I open to "check out later" is getting lost.

This really was one of the things that Opera got better. I don't understand what the reasoning is to do this any other way.

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Post by Manishearth »

vacri wrote: post #201
elorant wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So even if you only had 100 tabs This is fucking surreal. Why on Earth would anyone want 100 open tabs, besides testing? What's the real life scenario we're looking at here?

Well, until they git rid of XUL add-ons in November/FF57, I live and die by the Tab Groups extension. I have a group of tabs for various things in AWS, a group for various things in my build system, a group for the various Jira and Confluence things, a group for mail and google docs, a group for my company's HR requirements (timesheeting), a group for programming docs, and any one of these groups can have additional…

There's a new Tree Tabs that works on 57 FWIW

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-tabs/

not as nice as the old one (but it's improving!), I just use Tab Center Redux.

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Post by Manishearth »

elorant wrote: post #162
huntie wrote: post #39

I'm really glad that people at Mozilla use ridiculous numbers of tabs too. Lazy-loading of tabs is the reason I switched to firefox. I'm not sure if it's still this way, but Chrome used to load every tab on startup. So even if you only had 100 tabs, you were looking at 5+ minute startup time. God-forbid that any of them were Youtube, or you'd have to go through and pause them all. I've just updated to Firefox 55 to t…

So even if you only had 100 tabs This is fucking surreal. Why on Earth would anyone want 100 open tabs, besides testing? What's the real life scenario we're looking at here?

FWIW if you use a side-tabs addon like Tab Center (Tab Center Redux on newer Firefox) or Tree Style Tabs it's easier to manage.

Chrome also just tinifies tabs as you add them (eventually making them little slivers that are hard to click on/close and impossible to identify), whereas Firefox stops shrinking them at one size and then lets you scroll through them. This itself makes it easier to have more tabs. So if you're a Chrome user having 100 tabs may feel excessive, but given that the experience is pretty pleasant in Firefox a lot of folks have workflows around this. If something is hard to do you'll never discover workflows that need that functionality :)

On top of that, the addons I mentioned make the experience even better.

For me I have >100 tabs often because I'm working on many things, and each thing may have 3-5 tabs open (github issues, code, a million documentation tabs), and I'm also reading news articles and such, and often queue up things to read later as more tabs that I get to eventually. Pretty easy to get there.

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Post by etiam »

archagon wrote: post #175
Twirrim wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I start doing that, but have made an effort to always start a week with a fresh browser, one tab open. If I haven't read the article before the week was up, clearly it wasn't important enough.

In principle I agree, but in practice... I can't let go of my hoarding ways. What if there's a nugget of information hiding in all those tabs that could ︎ change my life?

Frequent occurrence, in my experience.

And I'm very happy about better support for this kludge, but I do wish that someone would get to the roots of the needs that cause this use of tabs, and design the correct interface for it instead.

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Post by hackinthebochs »

elorant wrote: post #162
huntie wrote: post #39

I'm really glad that people at Mozilla use ridiculous numbers of tabs too. Lazy-loading of tabs is the reason I switched to firefox. I'm not sure if it's still this way, but Chrome used to load every tab on startup. So even if you only had 100 tabs, you were looking at 5+ minute startup time. God-forbid that any of them were Youtube, or you'd have to go through and pause them all. I've just updated to Firefox 55 to t…

So even if you only had 100 tabs This is fucking surreal. Why on Earth would anyone want 100 open tabs, besides testing? What's the real life scenario we're looking at here?

"Why would anyone do that?!"... there's always one

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Post by cpeterso »

fiveseven_ wrote: post #156
kibwen wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have to enable it? I use Firefox Nightly, and have been observing this behavior for a long, long time. It's one of those things that's so minor and yet so important that I wonder how I went without it for so long.

I believe it is enabled by default now, and the value in about:config is `media.block-autoplay-until-in-foreground`

Thanks for the pref name. The feature is currently enabled by default only in the Firefox Nightly channel but you can use the pref to enable it in the Beta or Release channels.

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1352014

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